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Quote: P-J "Wane obviously likes Patrick as a utility man.

I still can't get over the fact that the bloke that used to cause us all sorts of problems at Huddersfield is a waste of space for Wigan.'"


Players have shone against Wigan and then proved to be not quite up to it has happened before at Wigan, read Dennis Moran to name but one.
Maybe the reason Wane picks Patrick over Sutton is because he is nursing Sutton (who by the way is still very young) and due to his aggression Wane is reining him in a bit. Or the other answer is Patrick gets the pick all the time because he maybe came to Wigan on Wanes recommendation, then not to be seen to be losing face comes into it.
Of the other starting props on Thursday I thought Crosby went better than Mossop, with Crosby at least I can see signs of aggression whereas Mossop just seems to be so robotic, he runs it in and that is it. Mossop never seems to get involved in a bit of push and shove at the tackle which even though never providing much threat at least Crosby tries to show a bit of fire.

But the most disappointing forward to me is Joel, fans rave about him saying that he is back to his best but I do not agree with that assessment.
Joel is a running second row, by that I mean he needs someone to put him through a gap and then he can really stride away and since he came back that hasn't happened .
In the past he had Tommy Leu and Sam who could put him through and he scored a lot of trys, I would like to see his try scoring stats since he came back to League. On the other side we have Liam Farrell who had Green and now Williams putting him away as well has having such quick feet he can make his own breaks, hence at times Liam seems to do double the yardage that Joel does.
This observation are only my opinion , but I think our attack is so out of balance when we look at options on the right as compared to the left.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Have we had a player recently that's regressed as much as Crosby over the space of a year/18 months? He's a shadow of the player he was - an absolute liability in defence at times and gets through limited work with the ball.

Meanwhile I thought Mossop was very good last night and Clubb was his usual self.

Bateman is still the best prop, second row, centre and loose forward (all at the same time) we have at the club.'"

I have been very critical of Moosop this season but last night you couldn't fault his effort

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I have been very critical of Moosop this season but last night you couldn't fault his effort'"

I used to have a 15yr old ford cortina, you couldn't fault that either but i couldn't wait to part ex it.

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I thought that was Mossop's best performance this season, unfortunately it coincided with Crosby's worst.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I think you need to watch the game again.
I admit I may have been a bit harsh with my comment about Joel which you pointed out showing the stats from last nights game, but as another poster pointed out Joel's stats were matched by Mossop who spent half the time on the pitch.
Joel's problem is he does not make his own space , he takes the ball up when it is his turn in a set but he never looks like making a clean break due to the fact that he needs others to put him through.

Before Joel went to Union he had Tommy on his side of the pitch and Sam was always causing panic down that side as well, all this meant that Joel was put through the gap more often were he could use his long stride and pace to cause havoc.
But since he came back from Union he has had Matty Smith inside of him and Matty in my opinion his more of an old fashioned forwards scrum half and this has meant that because of Mattys lack of pace the gaps are not there to put Joel through. I think this lack of understanding between Joel and Matty is sometimes carried through into defending, sometimes they seem to have a mix up between themselves when tackling. Look at Hull's last try last night.

This post now seems like a Matty Smith knocking post but in my opinion they do not gel the same as Williams does with Faz, but I stand with my original comments regarding Joel being a bit idle, he does not go looking for work like Bateman and Faz, hence the better stats they both seem to get week in week out.

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