Without reading the whole 12pages I don't know if it's already been asked. If lance has only had these symptoms since the GF, why have saints been allowed to play him. I thought the new laws of the game prevented a club playing a player with conclusion. Could lance claim against saints for making him play while showing the signs of concussion?

Maybe so mate, but no more so than hearing the 'we would have won it anyway' mantra that has emerged from the Saints ranks post GF despite the fact that not one pundit, journalist, bookie or fan (including most of your own) gave you a prayer before the match kicked off. It's a two way street my friend!

So what we've learned from this thread is that a lot of saints fans think this is Flower's fault and a lot of Wigan fans are saying that it's not.

No massive surprises here then.

My only hope is that whatever ails Mr Hohia is treatable, and that it has little or no bearing on his life going forward.....

Ryan Hampshire, after a little further development with Matty Bowen's help.

Your point?

Quote Lippy="Lippy"Without reading the whole 12pages I don't know if it's already been asked. If lance has only had these symptoms since the GF, why have saints been allowed to play him. I thought the new laws of the game prevented a club playing a player with conclusion. Could lance claim against saints for making him play while showing the signs of concussion?'" from page 6. Quote Lippy="Rogues Gallery"First of all it's sad to see any player have to retire because of injury and good luck to him in whatever career he decides to pursue. He has obviously given it a lot of thought as was seen on the player education section on Boots'n'all last night. I found the Saints statement quite strange in the fact that injury was never mentioned and it seemed quite terse. If they were aware of the situation then why was he allowed to take part in full contact training sessions? Why was he allowed to play? Why wasn't he at least playing in a head guard? Strangely all his stats have been removed from the Superleague site. Coincidence? www.superleague.co.uk/stats/player_stats'"

Quote Lippy="Lippy"Without reading the whole 12pages I don't know if it's already been asked. If lance has only had these symptoms since the GF, why have saints been allowed to play him. I thought the new laws of the game prevented a club playing a player with conclusion. Could lance claim against saints for making him play while showing the signs of concussion?'" from page 6. Quote Lippy="Rogues Gallery"First of all it's sad to see any player have to retire because of injury and good luck to him in whatever career he decides to pursue. He has obviously given it a lot of thought as was seen on the player education section on Boots'n'all last night. I found the Saints statement quite strange in the fact that injury was never mentioned and it seemed quite terse. If they were aware of the situation then why was he allowed to take part in full contact training sessions? Why was he allowed to play? Why wasn't he at least playing in a head guard? Strangely all his stats have been removed from the Superleague site. Coincidence? www.superleague.co.uk/stats/player_stats'"

In the squad is one thing but how many would you be able to play when you count on it 6 maybe 7 at a push including Lomax if fit. Your dependant on players developed else were for props, 6 and 7. You have let go your best talents in the last 10 years and neither returned. Which is a pity for the game as they are now replaced by overseas players or players from other sides. We could see a fully fit squad and potentially 10-11 Wigan developed players in the side.

As for ST replacement it was Bowen who is now replaced by Rocky who was not quite ready for the position last season. See we plan things we know when certain things happens. If Sam does not comeback then Rocky has his position covered. We do not need to panic as we believe in our youth players our 1-17 is mainly Youth developed players now which in that i now include Rocky as Bowen is now coaching him according to Wane.

Instead of begging a side for a FB we have an issue who do we have on the bench and who potentially of Williams, Rocky, Powell and Logan Tomkins which one will leave potentially. Good development with great planning works well.

Our first choice 17 would see Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Swift, Roby, Greenwood, Thompson, Savelio and Richards all come through our academy. If you count Wilkin who was signed as a kid and came through our development system that's 10 out of 17.

Your last sentence is spot on. It's development and planning that's allowed us to be current champions, have our 19's 2nd in the league and can afford our ground. Cheers!

According to the RFL Hohaia passed all cognitive head tests allowing him to play and that they have no record of him reporting to them that he has been suffering from concussion,which if he has been suffering from those symptoms he or saints should surely have reported it either way we all hope he has a healthy retirement

Sorry squad was an error should have read first 13 my mistake if its Wigan then it would be

Rocky, Josh, Gelling (if your going for Wilkin} Burgess, Williams, Lockers, Faz, Joel Tomkins, Dom Crosby, Mcilorum, Mossop, Sutton, Thornley (if ever fit) and choose from Powell or Logan for sub spot.

What i find funny this season we are a point behind and we have been awful at best. Standard of SL is poor atm. Its a good thing that Burgess is off to the NRL as we would be losing Manfredi and he is looking the real deal now.