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| As a Saints fan who's seen a fair bit of Wigans younger players it is Hampshire that is the pick alongside Burgess.
The forwards will take longer to make their way through although I've been surprised by how well Sutton has held his own on occasion. Credit to him for doing that.
Wigan could put any of the younger forwards in for a spell off the bench and they'd all be ok if, and it's a big if, they had 3 big quality yard making props to rely on.
Flower will make a difference and Mossop needs an injury free run. It's up to the others to back these two up because the back row is way too small to bully teams.
I think Wigan will struggle in the short term but when Flower and SO'L return they'll get parity with most up front and then the halves will have a chance of playing with some field position consistently.
We'll find out then if Smith, Williams, Powell or Hampshire deserve a shirt.
On a side note I think if there was a tea lady at the DW called Farrell or Tomkins she'd be in the 17 on current form.
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| I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!
Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following
1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood
Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!
Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.
Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.
Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!
Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!
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| I'm assuming the people picking Gildart didn't see any preseason friendlies? He's no where near ready. He's arguably not physically ready for playing at Workington for any prolonged period.
Yes we're struggling but putting these lads into an already struggling team could ruin them particularly halfbacks and forwards.
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| Quote gerr'emonside="gerr'emonside"I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!
Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following
1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood
Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!
Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.
Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.
Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!
Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"
Gelling on the wing instead of Manfredi? Have you had a drink this morning?
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| Truth is, for all the criticism of Burgess, Manfredi hasn't exactly seized the opportunities he's had this season with both hands, has he? 
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| Quote gerr'emonside="gerr'emonside"I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!
Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following
1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood
Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!
Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.
Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.
Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!
Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"
Thanks mate, that's cheered me up no end! 
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| Quote gerr'emonside="gerr'emonside"I think the time has come to move things around a bit cos things are clearly not working as they are!!
Team I'd like to see for next week would be something along the lines of the following
1. Sarginson
2. Gelling
3. Tomkins
4. Gildart
5. Burgess
6. Hampshire
7. Smith
8. Mossop
9. McIllurum
10. Sutton
11. Connor Farrell
12. Tautai
13. Bateman
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Doran , Crosby, Clubb, Greenwood
Removes the ineffective Bowen and Liam Farrell this season, and would hopefully be the last we see of the former, and the kick up the harris the latter needs, especially being dropped for his brother who has been far better this year!
Gives us attacking options from the off with sarginson, and helps us with some of sarg's positional frailties playing at centre.
Joel has been rubbish at second row all season, and only seems to play when hes at centre, and is also defensively stronger than gelling or sarginson so that sturdies us up.
Gives Gildart, Connor, Hampshire & Doran a chance in their proper positions, and also bulks the pack up a little more with Tautai playing second row!
Give it a try Mr Wane and prove you have a plan B and a few other tactics than the ineffective 'smash em up approach'!!!'"

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| Quote moto748="moto748"Truth is, for all the criticism of Burgess, Manfredi hasn't exactly seized the opportunities he's had this season with both hands, has he?
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.'"
Me too, he was very good against Cas as well.
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"I don't know if this is sarcasm or not but Manfredi really impressed me on Friday. I thought he did really well.'"
Likewise. I thought Manfredi was one of the few standout players we had on Friday.
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| Quote MatautiaVila="MatautiaVila"As a Saints fan who's seen a fair bit of Wigans younger players it is Hampshire that is the pick alongside Burgess.
The forwards will take longer to make their way through although I've been surprised by how well Sutton has held his own on occasion. Credit to him for doing that.
Wigan could put any of the younger forwards in for a spell off the bench and they'd all be ok if, and it's a big if, they had 3 big quality yard making props to rely on.
Flower will make a difference and Mossop needs an injury free run. It's up to the others to back these two up because the back row is way too small to bully teams.
I think Wigan will struggle in the short term but when Flower and SO'L return they'll get parity with most up front and then the halves will have a chance of playing with some field position consistently.
We'll find out then if Smith, Williams, Powell or Hampshire deserve a shirt.
On a side note I think if there was a tea lady at the DW called Farrell or Tomkins she'd be in the 17 on current form.'"
Joel Tomkins has been tearing it up this season.
One bad game doesn't change that.
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