I agree but I think there is a difference between training to be physically fit and knocking seven bells out of each other in full contact training week in and week out during the season. I can recall last season Wane saying he was going to flog the players during training after a bad result.

If all this is true I don't think it is very smart coaching.

No imo. It is frustrating when you hear a player has picked up an injury in training but surely you have to trust our coaches and backroom staff (I believe we spend more on our backroom staff than any other club).

Wane, Deacon, Bitcon, the physios, sports scientists etc will study our training non-stop and in particular the effect it has on game day. Ultimately you've got to trust them, why would they do anything in training which negatively effects the team on game day? I remember last season when we had an injury crisis and Wane said how they'd looked into the training in detail and could see no correlation between training and the injuries the players had picked up.

I keep wondering if we're making the best use out of preseason, and if it needs mixing up a bit. I know Bitcon and his team plan the training meticulously but the team have been over to Florida for the past 3 seasons now and each of those three seasons have started a bit on the sluggish side. The attack seems a lot less "well oiled" than in previous seasons and the players don't appear as fit as in the Maguire days. Like I say, it is well planned and people with a lot more knowledge in sports science are in charge, but I wonder if the 10 days or so over in Florida every season is the best preparation.

was it not Nobby who took them up to Scotland (?) for a bit of shock & awe, that didn't work either. I can only think it's more of a systemic problem than anything geographical. Let's see if things improve tonight, then we can leave worrying about it for another year.

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I think we have the sports science on one side and Wane's World on the other. They play full contact training games regularly and I know last season we picked up at least two injuries in these games and it was probably more.

These injuries were a regular occurrence and if its not the full contact training they are doing something else wrong despite all the science.