I'll put it in nice simple terms for you then with an analogy (I sometimes forget I'm talking to pies here so forgive me if I've not dumbed down enough previously

) - let's say I put a brick through your window, and in retaliation you smash my car up, and then in retaliation for that I shoot you dead in the street. Would you expect the police to prosecute either of us for criminal damage, or do you think they might forget all that and just concern themselves with the murder instead? The same thing applied on Saturday. Do you see? I can put on a puppet show to demonstrate instead if it'll make it clearer so long as you give me a few weeks to buy the stuff on eBay?

We did try to put it outside your stadium but it turns out that somehow you don't seem to actually have one... Did you lose it somewhere? Come on, I'll help you to try and find it. Now, try and remember where you had it last...

What a lovely, simple analogy that explains the situation with perfect clarity.



Back to the mirrors son, you seem to have lost yourself along the way.

Back to Bentham, I thought he had a decent game. Thought he got most decisions right and, most importantly, he managed to keep a lid on things after Flower's dismissal. Think both sides and - dare I say it - both coaches deserve some credit for the latter too.

No matter what happens referees can't win with any decisions. At the moment though Bentham seems to be the best of a bad bunch.

He did well to control things on Saturday and there are several referees at the moment who would have lost control.

I've been a season ticket holder at Wigan for 40 years and was disgusted at Flower for the second shot on his opponent. I for one wouldn't care if he never played for us again. Rugby is tough enough without that.

Why don,t you just chain up the real Ben Flower to that big metal rugby ball in tesco car park, it would be cheaper. Bentham had a fairly decent game compared to the Silverwood Standard.

Bloody hell mate.

That's not much of a comparison.

I saw Thierry Alibert have a few decent games if we're applying the Silverwood Standard.

Halibut was never any good at Maths was he!

Lance pleads guilty and gets a match which really should have been a red on the day. Any player who is banned should have had a red and the system is a cop out. I knew this when watching in the ground. Sounds harsh to some but lance should have been carded even If on a stretcher. He got this wrong but think he could have had some help.

agreed. there was one replay at the ground which clearly showed the forearm smash. the game should have been 12 v 12.
For such important decisions it is imperative that a VR is used.

None of this is any kind of defence of flower, just that both players should have been carded

I think he got 78 minutes actually! and as their key play maker that was enough