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Quote: jonh "Williams is not doing fine. He may come good and I hope he does but at the moment he looks a little out of his depth at this level.'"


Clearly the coach sees it differently. And so do I.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "Really don't think playing Williams for long minutes with wright or doran on the bench is the answer whilst McIlorum is out. Don't understand why we're not looking to recall Logan, I don't buy this "we promised Salford" line, he's our player and we have long term injuries to 2 of our spine.'"

I think that's Wane being diplomatic.

I read those comments as "Logan isn't markedly better than Doran/Wright/Williams so we don't want him back".

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Quote: stillinthepast "Williams not only looks a tired player who gives 100% but also a player who is being driven into the ground by a coach who seems to be intent on proving that he will not admit that he made a bad decision in letting Logan Tomkins
go to Salford on a season loan.
Williams when playing in the Academy during the last couple of years has been outstanding when playing with Hampshire as an outstanding halfback partnership (of the old school type) who delighted the fans with there free flowing rugby.
As I have said before Wane almost wants to play with halfbacks who are tight to the ruck to get the forwards rolling and then to use plan A when well in the opponents half.
Tell me when was the last time you saw two Wigan halfbacks do the run a round, you never see them run more that two or three yards before they bring a forward in.
But my argument can be shot down in flames when you look at the success Wane has had during the last couple f years.

But I will stick by my original comment Wane is letting Williams get hammered.'"


Hard to argue with any of that.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie "Williams just looks a tired player. At the start of the year he looked sharp and could cause problems from dummy half but at the moment he's struggling. It's also asking a lot of a 19 year old halfback to be playing a run of games as first choice hooker.

As for Doran, he was quick around the ruck and his passing was accurate. Unfortunately in defence he wasn't up to scratch. Was knocked around a lot and Saints made good ground by running at him. I don't really think he's a realistic option unless he can muscle up a lot more defensively.'"


I'd agree with all that.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie "Williams just looks a tired player. At the start of the year he looked sharp and could cause problems from dummy half but at the moment he's struggling. It's also asking a lot of a 19 year old halfback to be playing a run of games as first choice hooker.

As for Doran, he was quick around the ruck and his passing was accurate. Unfortunately in defence he wasn't up to scratch. Was knocked around a lot and Saints made good ground by running at him. I don't really think he's a realistic option unless he can muscle up a lot more defensively.'"


Williams does look tired but he has played too many games really. Powell is in front of Williams for me at the moment at halfback though so it will do Williams no harm getting games at hooker. They are both way in front of Hampshire for me who has too many deficiencies in his game for SL level.

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Quote: Famous "Williams does look tired but he has played too many games really. Powell is in front of Williams for me at the moment at halfback though so it will do Williams no harm getting games at hooker. They are both way in front of Hampshire for me who has too many deficiencies in his game for SL level.'"

The real difference is that Powell is older and more experienced. He hasn't had the pressure that we are heaping on the young lads. Ideally we need to get enough older bodies back to take the youngsters out of the firing line and bring them back for the odd cameo with a view to helping them gain confidence at this level. None of the debutantes have let us down, give them a moment of glory but do not rely on them.

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