One game away from home against an in-form Cas side, 16-0 down at one stage, poor discipline & poor tactics, a lack of enthusiasm, a seriously exposed fringe where Sarginson/Burgess operate and an ordinary goal kicker yet we only lost to the final play.

You can only gain success after learning from failure. This was a bad result, not because we lost, but because we didn't play well. If we gave it everything and lost then it would be a different scenario but we didn't.

Still, we can improve our discipline, we can change our tactics, instil a greater desire for success against the so-called lesser clubs and look at alternatives to the kicking problem. We have also seen a bad defensive performance from Sarginson & Burgess, both young players with lots of potential. It's up to them to show their mental toughness in become smarter and meaner.

Nothing from today suggests we cannot win the title again, to suggest we are doomed to failure is a despondent view. If anything this could be a good scenario in ensuring we improve to the changes in other teams and to meet their desire. We should want to beat Castleford as much as we do St. Helens.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Wane will have us react against Hull KR

Read a few Cas fans praise Farrell, I thought he was very ordinary by his own high standards.

Me to, I'm sure he knocked on at least thrice

We overdid that short ball Green to Farrell, there must have been at least four errors from it.

Green frustrates the hell out of me. When he's on it he's brilliant but at times he seems to keep choosing the wrong passing option. We don't seem as well oiled in attack as in previous seasons, our attacking shape seems much flatter and I don't think that's helping, the players are nearly on top of each other when we are trying the sweeping moves.

Green had a poor game today.

Any referees on here?

Bateman pushes Carney who throws a punch and gets sin-binned. Penalty goes to Cas.
Why?

I always thought that the greater offence nullified the original one, and therefore Wigan should have had the penalty.

I think Cas scored a try in the next set of six.

Huby certainly ruffled him before he went off, best tackle of the game. Would love Pettybourne in our team though, a real tough character.

I'm not a ref but my brother is.

As soon as the first penalty is given, the ball is deemed dead - so any further actions from the penalty may be punished as appropriate - the ref would of ruled that had the penalty been taken immediately the cas offence would not of occurred and thus doesn't rule out the original penalty. That doesn't mean that the cas offence goes unpunished however and if it were sin bin worthy then that's what would happen. There's a bit of interpretation in the rules but this is what he was always told

The only time "seriousness" is taken into account is when two offences occur independently of each other (knock on and a late challenge for example)

We managed to get out of jail but then got mugged, we need to be a lot smarter, this season was always going to be work in progress after all the experience we have lost, but hey it is a cross country race not a sprint, we do seem to lack leadership when Lockers is not playing and Josh is plainly not firing yet after his surgery but at least the sun shone and we got out of the car park in quick time !!

Not read all of the thread but I thought Burgess's try was a blinder.
Got to see that on the TV replay shows.
What a great young winger this lad is. He's no longer a prospect, nor the finished article but he already is a brilliant try scoring winger.