So what is the right balance, we seem to advertise ourselves as a family game?
Other clubs seem to be getting the balance right better than us.

Going OT here but well done to the clown who let the smoke bomb off tonight.

Youi make a good point: used to be practically all the players had their own chant for when they scored ("Sam will tear you apart"; "Richards is superman"; "Oh Tommy Tommy"etc) but that seems to have more or less gone.

Thats down to the fans frustration with the team and the disbelief that we've gone from scoring for fun to looking like the players only meet up 1 hour before kickoff and Brian Noble takes us for that hour.

I'm just glad Wigan are a bit off the pace too otherwise it would have been embarrassing.

Wane and his convincing comments are kidology at their grandest though.

Trying to think of the last Wire v Wigan game that was as boring and skillless as that?

Maybe not 'convincing' on the scoreboard but the performance was. Wire are lucky that Wigan didn't quite click, or it would have been a proper dusting.

Early days though, both teams will be amongst it in September.