Our track record in dealing with these type of issues speak for their self more recently Gleeson,Longy and Carroll i know them 3 was different issues but they all got dealt with the same way

It was only 4-5 years ago Josh was loaned out but when he comeback he was brilliant it seems to me the enthusiasm isn't there anymore when players get like this i'm more than happy to show them the door when we have players like Burgess and Manfredi there yes i know they aren't quite there but they want to play in the top it means something to them

This has been going on for years and will for years to come the amount of talent we have in Wigan grass routs is unreal

He has a strike centre. Read my post

I would argue thornleys labelling as a strike centre. He did well last week but deprived joe burgess of the ball. last weeks performance may show he is a strike centre but in that match his delivery to burgess was poor, And so he scored the tries. I dont rate him as a strike centre, his delivery to his winger on the left is normally fine, but his decision making under pressure suffers. Maybe our opinions differ but would you say its thornleys strike ability that gives burgess space? If not, how is he making space that eludes charnley?

The evidence has been watching him at Cas limping about the place blowing out of his backside and he wasn't far off that again last week. His try record isn't quite there yet but he got two in the WCC, one at Cas and then had one turned down last week against HKR that could have gone either way. He didn't score last night but then it was a 12-4 game with three try's so the odds were always stacked against.

The supply to him will get there IMO. I thought Bowen was much more influential last night and found both wingers at times with cut out passes. He had Burgess away twice, got Charnley down the line in the second half and threw the intercept that on another works out as intended.

If Charnley plays for the next three weeks I'd back him and those around him to get his tally right up.

He's recovering from a hernia op. I don't think he'll be fully fit until April / May

Charnley, and Goulding inside him, didnt get a pass of the ball in open play all night against Warrington. This has pretty much been the case all season so far, whoever has played centre and wing down that side. We know what they can do when they get the ball and it has been shown enough the last few seasons.

The problem for me is that our entire attack from left to right is not as it was, we dont even attack that way the same as we have in previous season. There are too many in the line and no decoys, Bowen looks reluctant and hesitant to pass from left to right as he does on the left and Bateman often gets in the way and doesnt seem to know the play and if he does get the ball doesnt pass. They are 2 new players coming to terms with different attacking structures so it is all understandable and it will come good. Compare and contrast this too the left where we have Farrell who runs exactly the same lines and where Bowen is obviously much more comfortable attavking and passing. It will come but will take time.