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| I would hope the mods don't delete or move this post, as I think it's genuinely relevant to RL fans and Wigan RL fans especially. Likewise, it would be cool if they don't merge it with the Burgess thread as, though the two may overlap, I think this is a more distinct question. (Though of course, they must do as they see fit).
And it is a genuine question, which I don't have an answer for but would love to hear a few other views on.
How much of a high profile does international RU genuinely offer its participants?
This is something we hear a lot about when players leave RL. I mean, given the NRL can pay much higher wages than SL can - and yet even they couldn't hang onto Sam Burgess (or Israel Folau for that matter) - there surely must be something else to attract these guys elsewhere?
Now we know there is no sporting or physical challenge in RU. I've played both, and RU is far easier; in fact you can get bored - didn't Kyle Eastmond recently say that he'd just played his first ever game wherein he didn't touch the ball once? You want further proof, look how out of his depth RU hard man Andy Powell was. So it can't be anything to do with the sport itself. Therefore, it must be the extra profile RU offers ... right?
Really?
Though I class myself as a sports fan, I doubt I could pinpoint a single England or Wales RU player purely from facial recognition (I might identify Gavin Henson, but that would be because of his fake suntan). Am I alone in this?
Would England RU players be widely recognised while walking down a street in London or Manchester or Birmingham? I find it hard to believe. I guess they would in towns like Leicester and Bath, but only the way RL players are in towns like Wigan and St Helens.
So what's the deal? Is playing in the Home Internationals genuinely a much bigger draw for an athlete than competing at Wembley or at OT or in the Aussie Grand Final? Is the RU World Cup so much more exciting to participate in than the RL World Cup? Each have their complement of Mickey Mouse teams, so there's no argument there, and I doubt anyone could query the spectacle factor of the RL World Cup (excluding the Kiwis' perfectly timed no-show in last year's final, of course).
I suppose the national newspapers and the old boys at the BBC get a lot more enthusiastic about RU than they do RL - that's undeniable. So maybe I'm being naive in asking this question. But what Sam Burgess has actually done beggars belief. Having just moved his family and settled them in Sydney, having done the near-impossible as an Englishman and achieved star status in the NRL, by far the most challenging sporting arena in the world (nothing in RU's history or future could compete with it), he's now thrown it all away by popping off mid-contract to RU, a game he's never played before and has almost no affinity with. Not only that, he must now run the gauntlet of playing for an entire year with a team who'll be cheesed off with him, in front of fans who will suddenly remember that he's "a pommie ba####d" - and all for the 'glory' of representing England RU (not to mention Bath!!!???!!!)
I'm seriously starting to think it can only be down to money. Surely the money is more important than any of this phoney high profile business? In which case, there must be something the world RL powers can do, some way they can pool resources to ensure we keep hold of at least some of our marquee players. Even if they're all in Australia (I mean, God forbid the Aussies would go out on a limb to help us keep them in the UK!), that would be better than losing them altogether, wouldn't it?
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| I have been reading the comments on Burgess and most of the comments and ideas are good. The reality is that he left Souths for the money. However the idea of scrapping the cap I think is crazy. You will get clubs trying to live the dream and sending the clubs bust. As Wigan supporters I imagine you look back at the days in the 90s when you won everything, however it bust the club, what has happened to Central Park, you are now don't have a ground, nor do Fax, look at Swinton. If the cap works it forces clubs to be sensible
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: huddersfield rhino "I have been reading the comments on Burgess and most of the comments and ideas are good. The reality is that he left Souths for the money. However the idea of scrapping the cap I think is crazy. You will get clubs trying to live the dream and sending the clubs bust. As Wigan supporters I imagine you look back at the days in the 90s when you won everything, however it bust the club, what has happened to Central Park, you are now don't have a ground, nor do Fax, look at Swinton. If the cap works it forces clubs to be sensible'"
The cap hasn't stopped lots of clubs going bust.
We need better financial regulation that encourages clubs to grow, not a salary cap that encourages clubs to do nothing to improve their finances. (Players are paid over 30% less in real terms than they were pre-cap, this is just not sustainable, we are heading for a semi-pro future.)
Winning everything didn't bust the Wigan club. The new stand at CP ran millions of pounds over budget, that's what did for us financially.
Comparing us with Halifax and Swinton is hilarious. We've just seen more Wigan fans go to Sydney than most clubs take to nearby away grounds. We are the cup holders and SL champions and along with Leeds get the biggest attendances at home (in the ground we don't have...).
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| Quote: huddersfield rhino "I have been reading the comments on Burgess and most of the comments and ideas are good. The reality is that he left Souths for the money. However the idea of scrapping the cap I think is crazy. You will get clubs trying to live the dream and sending the clubs bust. As Wigan supporters I imagine you look back at the days in the 90s when you won everything, however it bust the club, what has happened to Central Park, you are now don't have a ground, nor do Fax, look at Swinton. If the cap works it forces clubs to be sensible'"
I can't believe you can be so blind with what is happening to top flight RL in this country.. It's being raped of all its top players!!!! What happened 30 years ago is totally irrelevant....
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| Quote: Deano G "
Winning everything didn't bust the Wigan club. The new stand at CP ran millions of pounds over budget, that's what did for us financially.'"
Whoahh...we won't have facts on this forum thank you very much.
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