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| The more I read and understand the better it sounds to me.
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| It might be ok for us Wigan fans as we have a good club and a good team.
Those who finish in places 9-12 after 22 games then play Championship clubs.
What will happen to their crowds, increase, stay the same or decrease?
It's my bet that they'd decrease. So this plan will be financially damaging to the lower clubs.
For the last seven games (almost a quarter of the season) they'll be paying SL wages to players effectively playing in the Championship in front of Championship sized crowds. If these games are to be pay again and not in the season ticket then the attendances will really be adversly affected.
Wigan can go for the whole season with season tickets on the basis of finishing in the top four and getting four additional home games making 15. Even if they finished 5-8 then there's still 14 home games. Lower end clubs can't do this and they are the ones in financial difficulties now.
I do think that by the time the next broadcasting contract is due another new system will be introduced.
The vote for a reduction of SL down to 12 was unanimous. No wonder.
IL and his mates will probably have the majority when this happen as the two relegated will probably be from the Wood/Hetherington axis. The abstainer will probably come on board when this is voted, Saints may do as well.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"It might be ok for us Wigan fans as we have a good club and a good team.
Those who finish in places 9-12 after 22 games then play Championship clubs.
What will happen to their crowds, increase, stay the same or decrease?
It's my bet that they'd decrease. So this plan will be financially damaging to the lower clubs.
For the last seven games (almost a quarter of the season) they'll be paying SL wages to players effectively playing in the Championship in front of Championship sized crowds. If these games are to be pay again and not in the season ticket then the attendances will really be adversly affected.
Wigan can go for the whole season with season tickets on the basis of finishing in the top four and getting four additional home games making 15. Even if they finished 5-8 then there's still 14 home games. Lower end clubs can't do this and they are the ones in financial difficulties now.
I do think that by the time the next broadcasting contract is due another new system will be introduced.
The vote for a reduction of SL down to 12 was unanimous. No wonder.
IL and his mates will probably have the majority when this happen as the two relegated will probably be from the Wood/Hetherington axis. The abstainer will probably come on board when this is voted, Saints may do as well.'"
At the minute the teams who will likely be finishing 9-12 are the teams who aren't currently reaching the POs, so they will be going from a guaranteed 13 home games to a guaranteed 14. It's not like all SL fixtures generate massive attendances, games like Featherstone v Castelford would get larger attendances than London v Cas, for example. There's no reason why the clubs can't provide STs that are valid right up to the end of the weekly rounds, so there's at least one extra fixture with walk-up attendances generating revenue that would not happen under the current system. A couple of those games would likely be against teams who were pushing for promotion so would likely bring a decent following. 2 of the "Championship teams" would likely be 2 teams that are currently in SL.
What would the attendance of Wakefield v Bradford be in August under the current system, with one team in 11th and the other in 12th, neither with anything to play for, for example? Would the figure be higher or lower if both were playing knowing that they could slip out of the top 4 of the middle tier and miss the cut for the following season's SL. It's all guesswork atm, but at least the new system ensures meaningful games for the majority of the 24 teams invloved for the full season. That's better than we have now.
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| If a team finishes 9-12 and incorporates all games in season tickets then fans are paying for 11 SL home games and 3 Championship home games at 14 SL game prices.
A Widnes fan told me there's no way their fans would buy a full price SL season ticket the following year on that basis when they've paid for a season of SL and then end up watching Championship rugby.
On the other hand, if they go for an 11 game SL season ticket and then pay on the day for the Championship games their crowds will drop massively. Also would they charge SL walk up prices or Championship prices.
The clubs who are 9-12 face a drop in crowds, a drop in price per supporter and revenue loss that might well be unsustainable given they are still running a SL club infrastructure.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"If a team finishes 9-12 and incorporates all games in season tickets then fans are paying for 11 SL home games and 3 Championship home games at 14 SL game prices.
A Widnes fan told me there's no way their fans would buy a full price SL season ticket the following year on that basis when they've paid for a season of SL and then end up watching Championship rugby.
On the other hand, if they go for an 11 game SL season ticket and then pay on the day for the Championship games their crowds will drop massively. Also would they charge SL walk up prices or Championship prices.
The clubs who are 9-12 face a drop in crowds, a drop in price per supporter and revenue loss that might well be unsustainable given they are still running a SL club infrastructure.'"
A Widnes fan on the VT said he payed £167 for his season ticket,i think that works out at less than £13 a game.
is that really a good example?
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"If a team finishes 9-12 and incorporates all games in season tickets then fans are paying for 11 SL home games and 3 Championship home games at 14 SL game prices.
A Widnes fan told me there's no way their fans would buy a full price SL season ticket the following year on that basis when they've paid for a season of SL and then end up watching Championship rugby.
On the other hand, if they go for an 11 game SL season ticket and then pay on the day for the Championship games their crowds will drop massively. Also would they charge SL walk up prices or Championship prices.
The clubs who are 9-12 face a drop in crowds, a drop in price per supporter and revenue loss that might well be unsustainable given they are still running a SL club infrastructure.'"
I think the games after the split are going to be the big unknown as to what happens crowd wise.
It may be a top four club has secured it's top four slot before the split or a game into it. Equally a team placed 8th may not have a realistic chance of making the four. Unless these games are part of the season ticket for the entire league season I can't see how they are going to get the revenue they would otherwise.
I think there is a danger the games after the split end up as popular as the early rounds of the playoffs are at the moment.
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| Agree with you Dave O.
They could even be a popular as Challenge Cup games between SL and Championship clubs. Also agree that this is an unknown, it shouldn't be though.
SL clubs should know by now what their plans are re a top 1-4 place, 5-8 and 9-12. To vote for this they should know what the revenue consequencies are and have it all worked out.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"Agree with you Dave O.
They could even be a popular as Challenge Cup games between SL and Championship clubs. Also agree that this is an unknown, it shouldn't be though.
SL clubs should know by now what their plans are re a top 1-4 place, 5-8 and 9-12. To vote for this they should know what the revenue consequencies are and have it all worked out.'"
Me too.
There will be an advert some time this season for all clubs.
"PR position at X R.L. Club"
Degree in bull a primary requirement, you'll need it.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"If a team finishes 9-12 and incorporates all games in season tickets then fans are paying for 11 SL home games and 3 Championship home games at 14 SL game prices.
A Widnes fan told me there's no way their fans would buy a full price SL season ticket the following year on that basis when they've paid for a season of SL and then end up watching Championship rugby.
On the other hand, if they go for an 11 game SL season ticket and then pay on the day for the Championship games their crowds will drop massively. Also would they charge SL walk up prices or Championship prices.
The clubs who are 9-12 face a drop in crowds, a drop in price per supporter and revenue loss that might well be unsustainable given they are still running a SL club infrastructure.'"
The SL playoffs, that should be the biggest games of the season, are currently poorly attended compared to the league fixtures. So it wouldn't just be because fans didn't want to pay to watch "championship games" why there would be a drop in attendances. RL fans are notoriously bad for not attending games that don't count on their ST, which is why I think the clubs will have to sell the tickets to count for all games before the POs. Otherwise all teams will see a drop in attendances from the ST-valid games, not just the bottom 4 of the top division. It's not like these clubs are generating staggering attendances anyway, and will have one or 2 extra fixtures compared to now.
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| What happened to your attendances in 2006 ?
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"What happened to your attendances in 2006 ?'"
They went up, oddly! Every game mattered and could go either way and the atmosphere was the best it's ever been at the JJB/DW.
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