Has he actually won anything in a Wigan shirt? He was doing drugs so missed out in 2010 when we won the league and 2011 when we won the Challenge Cup and after his greedy demands at the end of 2012 he's now missed out on them both again in our double winning year. We do just fine without him and I'm sure England's form will not suffer either.

From his own personal point of view though losing out on 4 winners medals/rings through being a twit has got to smart.

The thing is though, it's like being an alcoholic ... you can only start to resolve the problem when you finally admit that you've got one.

Gareth's interview on the BBC the other day - during which he looked mystified as to why he was being punished - indicates that he still thinks he's being picked on, and is a long way from accepting that he is the main one at fault.

You are right though, he's paid a terrible price for this attitude and for the idiots he has around him. He's now 30 and is effectively a veteran - that more or less means he's botched his entire career.

as far as I know, they weren't in camp on Saturday night - so he would have been staying at home. The camp re-started in Loughborough on Monday.

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Finally Conclusive proof that members of the England squad are furious with McBanana for sending poor Gareth home! Nice to see that certain people on here have been proved right in their proclamation team spirit had been demolished by this mismanagement www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-6190256 Oh, hang on...........

Finally Conclusive proof that members of the England squad are furious with McBanana for sending poor Gareth home! Nice to see that certain people on here have been proved right in their proclamation team spirit had been demolished by this mismanagement www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-6190256 Oh, hang on...........

Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"Finally Conclusive proof that members of the England squad are furious with McBanana for sending poor Gareth home! Nice to see that certain people on here have been proved right in their proclamation team spirit had been demolished by this mismanagement www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-6190256 Oh, hang on...........'" it was the same last season, some people on here tried having people believe all the players didn't like Shaun Wane and hock was in the right.

Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"Finally Conclusive proof that members of the England squad are furious with McBanana for sending poor Gareth home! Nice to see that certain people on here have been proved right in their proclamation team spirit had been demolished by this mismanagement www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-6190256 Oh, hang on...........'" it was the same last season, some people on here tried having people believe all the players didn't like Shaun Wane and hock was in the right.

People who were noticeable by their silence as the season progressed to a rather successful climax.

I don't rate McNamara one bit after his tenure at Bradford and England's performances since his appointment. Problem for me is I think was right in sending Hock home. He missed training after a drinking session and there's no place for that.

That article quoting Hall is dreadful. Hall, whatever he may think, should not say anything like that for publication. It looks like the RFL are getting their mates at the YP to try and repair the damage they inflicted on the game by their PR mishandling of the drinking incident.

McNamara should not have stood down Graham, Hardaker or McIlorum, he weakened the team by doing so. He should have made them play and their disciplinary punishment should have been massive fines all round. Perhaps a match fee, make them play a game and their pay confiscated.

The whole matter was handled dreadfully by the RFL and McNamara. What was Ledger doing whilst all this was going on and what was his part in it?

Thank goodness the Rugby is that good and the crowds superb those same players who let the side down can reflect how the whole of Rugby League is getting behind the World Cup apart from them!

A fine is a bit like closing the door after the horse has bolted though isn't it? What are players thinking getting drunk during a World Cup?

It's especially baffling considering Harris basically said the other day that the lax attitude of the Welsh squad in 1995 cost what was an excellent team a chance at the trophy.

So you have a Wigan coach saying that drink cost him a once in a lifetime opportunity, yet players still go out and get drunk.

That's a bigger problem than anything McNamara has done. Utterly baffling.

I agree.

Lets be honest, what message does a fine send out to the players that broke the rules?

What message would it send out to the rest of the squad who abide by the rules?

Representing your country is supposed to be the highest honour a player can do yet ignoring the rules and going out drinking is totally dis-respectful to not only the rest of the squad and coaching team but also to the supporters who pay to watch the games.

The players have only themselves to blame.

Hock tweeted something before about "McNamara being a coward", seems he's deleted it now.

The lad really needs to grow up. I can't believe he's 30, he acts and talks like he's 16 or 17.