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Wasn't a bad game by modern standards. As I always say you can only beat what's put in front of you and Wigan did just that.

I've always said that different should never be used as a benchmark when determining who was the best/worst side ever. However you only have to go on Youtube and look at some of the games served up in the mid-late 80's/90's and early 2000's to make you wonder where it all went wrong for rugby league in this country as a whole.

Finally -

Is this Wigan the worst team ever to win a final? No. Not by a long way.

Are they the best? No. But they are up there with teams over say the past 5-6 years.

Was there better? Probably.

Will there be better ? Hope so (for the games sake).

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That 2000 team that finished top should have strolled to the title. Some times it's just not your year (ask our Wolfs friends for further evidence icon_smile.gif ).

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In 2000, we put 40+ on Saints away on the last game to finish top. Now even though the playoffs had been brought in, in 2000 it was still massive to finish top and teams were giving everything all season to do so.
Seem to remember some injury problems that year when it came to the GF.

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Quote: Cruncher "The 16-54 result was very bizarre. IIRC, Wigan just seemed to stop trying half way through. Everyone was mystified.

I seem to recall, though, that despite the plethora of apparent star names at Wigan around that time, there was still a feeling of decline. Crowds were down, people sated by success or simply not liking the new stadium. We weren't a shadow of the team we'd been five years earlier, Bradford and Saints above us in terms of pure quality (of those names you mention, Johns was a big disappointment and Betts was nothing like the force he'd been). We'd also started to lose players to RU - Robinson's departure stunned us, and we only hung onto Rads by the skin of our teeth. Latics had just got promoted and we were constantly hearing that Whelan was going to turf us out. Whelan was also on a sack-the-coach binge whenever we failed to win silverware.

The CC win in 2002 was a blip really. More telling were the Cup Final defeats - against Sheffield (!!!), Saints and Bradford. To lose four finals would have been unthinkable at Wigan a decade earlier. I reckon it was all downhill from around 1998 to our near-relegation season in 2007 (or whenever it was).'"


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IMHO you can only truly judge this team once they have some history - yes we think of Saints 2006 as one of the best but how will Wigan's team appear looking back in, say, 4 years time?

Hopefully something like:

Wigan appear in their 3 Grand Final in 5 years with the best 3/4 line for years the Thornley/Gelling and Goulding/Charnley combinations cutting teams open. Their awesome front row of Flower/Crosby/Powell/Taylor is hard to stop and with Hampshire rotating with the returning veteran Tompkins?

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The effects of the lure of the NRL money should not be discounted before getting hopes too high, something Stains and Leeds did not have to contend with. Context is all when looking at stats and hopes.

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Saints lost Graham to the NRL and I think he's been a massive loss for them, far greater than any effect players' departure from Wigan has been.

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