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| Quote jonh="jonh"Dave, let me explain something called peaking to you. Something that Wane as a coach has been criticised for not doing with his team in the past and something both he and his coaching team deserve massive credit for this year as in the second half we were running round like it was the first game if the season and Wire were playing with lead in their boots.
Our plan clearly was to hit the ground running and lay down a marker at the start of the season, we blew teams away at a stage when most other teams would also be looking to establish some good form.
During training especially our conditioning sessions the work would have been very short, very high intensity power sessions. The aerobic work would have been done earlier in the pre season and our skills sessions would also have been high intensity, high quality, but low volume.
This would have our lads at the start of the season as close to 100% physically at their peak as possible. The problem is you can only sustain this for so long.
At some point during the season, the high intensity training would change. We would have returned to some more aerobic work in the gym, whilst still undertaking power work the key goal of that period of training would have been recuperation, letting the anaerobic power system replenish, whilst building stamina and muscular endurance.
Rugby league is a high intensity anaerobic sport, the shift in training emphasis would have dropped our players physical readiness to play the game significantly from where it was at the start of the season. Consequently teams started to get over the top of us dominate our pack and results started to fall away.
We basically would have started preparing for a mini preseason during the season, which would have a negative effect on, on field performance and our form.
Once the playoffs were looming you could see we had returned to the low volume high intensity anaerobic sessions. The loss against Huddersfield was when I saw it happening. Certain players started to dominate their opposition again, and in spite of the loss I could see we were building back up to have a good run at the play offs.
Throughout the playoff series we would have maintained this training ensuring the players were physically at their peak.
The process is based around a concept known as non linear periodisation.
The form we experienced going into the play offs was poor, but there were reasons for this, ie the team were in simple terms were conditioned to be in a period of rest and recuperation ( in very basic terms).
You cannot maintain the 100% throughout the year due to the length of the season.
Whilst pre playoff form was not what the fans wanted, and I am sure not what Wane wanted, I am sure it was also something that whilst not desired was something that the coaching team was prepared for due to the player preparation.
2013 should go down as a master class of planning by Wane and his team. I have read countless posts over the years claiming Noble is a genius etc for this, yet I have never seen it done as good as our 2013 champions have done it.
Bitcon deserves a huge amount of credit, as I am sure at times during our run of poor form he would have been tempted to change his plan to improve form, but he kept the faith and last night proved him right to do so.
Give the coaches some credit. This season has been a planning master class. Thank god the coaches do not listen to the fans and stuck to the plan.'"
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| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"The difference between someone who knows what he is talking about, and someone who thinks he knowsbwhat je is talkig about in one single post.'"
Not quite true. I'm not arguing with jonh but I'm am agreeing with DaveO in that, peaking notwithstanding, our aim would have been to win every game we played. I don't care what we were doing in training other than it clearly worked, but even jonh would agree the players have always tried to win on every occasion and haven't taken their foot off the gas. Rather, their physical and maybe mental preparation for certain games wasn't - and indeed couldn't according to jonh - be maintained every week. |
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I do not think anyone claims it was a plan to lose any games, and that the players did not give 100% every week. Simply their 100% was proportionate to their level of perpetration.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"I do not think anyone claims it was a plan to lose any games, and that the players did not give 100% every week. Simply their 100% was proportionate to their level of perpetration.'"
Sorry jonh but there is plenty evidence on here that people actually believe the opposite. |
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| Quote jinkin jimmy="jinkin jimmy"Not quite true. I'm not arguing with jonh but I'm am agreeing with DaveO in that, peaking notwithstanding, our aim would have been to win every game we played. I don't care what we were doing in training other than it clearly worked, but even jonh would agree the players have always tried to win on every occasion and haven't taken their foot off the gas. Rather, their physical and maybe mental preparation for certain games wasn't - and indeed couldn't according to jonh - be maintained every week.'"
You cant go balls out every week in practice and then in comp every athlete in the world has periods of peaking and de-loading within a training block. Its just a relativley new thing for us fans to get our heads around.
Usain Bolt doesnt go the track every day and then sprint as fast as he can for an hour. He sets to peak for the major events, which is why he may get beat in the circuit races, but not on the big stage.
Fans just need to get there heads around periods of under performing as the players cycle through peaks and ramping phases. Which as a fan is easier said than done. |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"We didn't stop trying. As someone else said previously it's not a computer game were set yourself to you play at 70%.
Anyone who has played a team game knows, if you go out half cocked you get mullered. We didn't go out half cocked.
We lost some games due to poor form, simple enough to my mind.
What has been fantastic is despite that, we turned it around and had a fantastic play off series and GF.'"
We did stop tryin thats why Sam is off to the NRL because Wigan didnt need to try against Salford and Widnes etc etc, Micky Mac was kept ticking over while Logan was given a chance in the team. Get the poor form out of your head we rested key players so they could perform in the business end of the season. I really do wonder if that brain cell in your head is lonely |
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| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"You cant go balls out every week in practice and then in comp every athlete in the world has periods of peaking and de-loading within a training block. Its just a relativley new thing for us fans to get our heads around.
Usain Bolt doesnt go the track every day and then sprint as fast as he can for an hour. He sets to peak for the major events, which is why he may get beat in the circuit races, but not on the big stage.
Fans just need to get there heads around periods of under performing as the players cycle through peaks and ramping phases. Which as a fan is easier said than done.'"
I agree as the evidence is clear. However, Bolt doesn't plan to finish second, it is just a result of his condition. There are some on here who would appear to believe that Bolt deliberately loses lesser races to win the big ones, that is my point. |
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| Quote jinkin jimmy="jinkin jimmy"I agree as the evidence is clear. However, Bolt doesn't plan to finish second, it is just a result of his condition. There are some on here who would appear to believe that Bolt deliberately loses lesser races to win the big ones, that is my point.'"
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| Quote jonh="jonh" Dave, let me explain something called peaking to you. Something that Wane as a coach has been criticised for not doing with his team in the past and something both he and his coaching team deserve massive credit for this year as in the second half we were running round like it was the first game if the season and Wire were playing with lead in their boots. Snip '"
Excellent post.. But you may as well go bang your head against a wall if you expect all to get a grasp of it...
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Dave read this book it explains how peaking is achieved
" Bowerman and the Men of Oregon: The Story of Oregon's Legendary Coach and Nike's Cofounder"
this is the man who created the Oregon team training methods - the team who train Mo Farah. Its a good read I recommend it for everyone, one of those you can pick up and read bits at lunchtime or dare I say it - a good toilet read lol
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Dave, let me explain something called peaking to you...'"
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