[iYou have answered your own point there.[/i

The rest of your post is irrelevant to the debate.

i know i made my point that Wigan Warriors are a business so what? and its not really tho is it your moaning that we have allowed sam tomkins leave who is an asset and if you keep him he would become unhappy and cause unrest in the club.

Why is the rest of his post irrelevant? Because he's adopted a realistic attitude rather than a head-in-the-sand approach.

And you seriously think attendance will fall because Sam's gone to the NRL? I remember people saying the same thing when Hanley left, and as much as I missed watching him playing for us (as I will Sam), it didn't stop me supporting the club as it won't do for the vast majority.

You always did.

Didn't it take you something like two years to acknowledge that Michael Maguire had been a good appointment? (Or was it a 'lucky' one?

)

Mind you, at least that proves your determined-to-be-unimpressed attitude to Bowen isn't just a farcical one-off eccentricity.

Bowen is a sensational player.
Far better than Hodgson and he was man of steel in his first season. We are lucky to have him, and if anyone genuinely objects to the "marquee" description they should watch his last 4 performances for North Queensland. He'll go better for us than Minicello.
Give it a couple of weeks, and Sam may be leaving us with 2 LLS, 2 Cups and 2 Super League winners' medals. By my reckoning that exceeds our haul for the entire period of SL before IL took over. The only currency we deal in are trophies, and whatever IL is doing, he can keep on doing it as far as I am concerned.
I can't understand why people care what IL and Wane and other sporting people say (though it might be because we all have too much time on our hands). Words can be taken out of context, throw away remarks can be over analysed, errors of judgement can be mulled over ad nauseum. So what if we look at IL and conclude that we don't like him? That's part of life.
The one thing that matters are the current results and future prospects of the team. On current results, with 3 games to play no one has had a better season, on future prospects, if we keep Bowen fit, I think the doom sayers will be proven wrong again next year. Which brings me full circle - take Bowen's last 4 performances, watch them closely and your worries will be over.

The article says it's reckoned they could afford to keep him. Parr was obviously going out of his way to accommodate the player as well. Who to believe? You who thinks its all a pack of lies or people down-under who actually talk to the clubs and Parr himself?

I saw that post in the Aussie newspaper weeks ago and that is what I based my opinion that he would only be released if his club thought he wasn't up to it physically.

You seem to just want to dismiss that article as propaganda simply because it suits your point of view to do so.

Simple question, do you think signing a him is a risk or not?

99.9% of all signings are risks in one way or another

Why are we arguing about Bowen's fitness? He's just played a full season in the NRL and by all accounts played pretty well. Presumably Wigan's medical staff have assessed his fitness prior to him signing. Why don't you base your opinion on that? Why do you presume to know better?

Of course his signing is a risk, but given his pedigree, probably worth taking. Would you rather have Richie Mathers perhaps?

Regardless of Bowen's ability, signing a player of his age is always going to be a risk. But given that we have a few young lads who can step into the FB role if need be, it's a calculated risk.

And a simple question for you, who do you think we should have signed instead? I only ask because if he's a bad choice (which you seem to imply), we can only judge that against the other options that might have been available.

And to all those who are hung up on IL's "Spin" and seem concerned that this in some way means that he should fall on his sword if those words dont happen to be 100% correct consider this.

Show me 1 signing over the last 30 years (And we could go back to forever) when the club have announced that we've signed someone "Average" and haven't tried to put spin on it in some way.

I'm a big fan of MO but some people seem to think he could do no wrong and seem to want to criticise IL for things that others have done in the past yet seem immune to the same criticism.
I'm sure somoen could pull out what Mo said about the Vaeliki signing or the Michael Withers, Shane Millard (Who I quite liked actually, just wish he were 5 years younger), Tim Jonkers, Jordan James Etc Etc Etc Etc.
Lets see if there were any words of "Spin" over those signings?
Lets see wha words of Spin Jack Robinson put on the selling of Andy Greg and his aquisition of his replacement? The signings of Paul Koloi, Stuart Lester, Shem Tatupu & Doc Murray.

I dont remember them announcing we'd signed "Craaaap!"

There are people who have made their minds up about IL & SW for various reasons and as alluded to with regards the "Other Forum" earlier the self serving sanctimonious rubbish spouted by some (Luckily not as much lately on here) is astonishing.

Ive now seen posts criticising other posters for coming up with an "hypothetical" argument even though they put the words "If" as a counter argument yet feel no shame in doing 10X the amount of speculation and pushing it as Fact.

Scratching around to find the tiniest faults with how the club run seems to me to be nothing more that an "I could do better" type argument.
Luckily IMO we'll never know wether that's true or not but I'd wager some of these people wouldn't have an ounce of the business acumen that an IL or others have.
Anyway, "Happy Clapper" alert for the usual suspects so feel free to deconstruct my post minutely to try & prove a point.

I'll just concentrate on another Semi Final on Friday, another possible Grand Final, possibly a 4th major trophy in the last 4 years not including 2 LLS.
Damn, Best stop now, too much positivity without mentioning the increased crowds, better marketting, better youth set up and retention of youth!
Damn, at it again!

I don't know better and never suggested I did. His club decided he wasn't up to another season despite how he has just gone and they released him. That is what the article said. I didn't say it. You can chose to believe it or not.



No and I wouldn't ask such a stupid question either.