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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"The term 'marquee' is not what this is really about.
You need to remember that a few people - the usual suspects - have been preparing the tar and feathers for IL since the word got out a few months ago that Sam wanted to leave early. The acquisition of Bowen, while not an ideal like-for-like replacement, is an astute piece of work by Wigan in that it provides a very decent replacement who can also be used as a mentor for our very talented young fullbacks in the junior ranks - and this has really taken the wind out of the lynch-mob's sails, which has obviously infuriated them. The best they can do at present is impotently sputter that: "He isn't a marquee signing - damn you all! He just isn't!"
God knows how frustrated they'll be if Wigan win the Grand Final, which would be IL's fourth major trophy in four years (those of us who are grateful for this are written off as 'happy clappers'). It would be laughable if we weren't stuck with these people on a seemingly permanent basis. It's the ultimate stuck record.'"
Actually it is.
It's about IL and his insatiable appetite to spin. He has been made to look like a baffoon over the Sam Tomkins affair. He has, intentionally or otherwise, misled the Wigan fans into thinking that ST would be here for at least 3 out of his much lauded 5 year contract.
Yet when this has been proven to be no more than spin and hope, with absolutely no basis in fact, instead of an apology, we get more spin.
Apparently Bowen is an "Excellent replacement for Sam Tomkins" and a "Marquee" signing.
I would say the wording is very relevant.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Actually it is.
It's about IL and his insatiable appetite to spin. He has been made to look like a baffoon over the Sam Tomkins affair. He has, intentionally or otherwise, misled the Wigan fans into thinking that ST would be here for at least 3 out of his much lauded 5 year contract.
Yet when this has been proven to be no more than spin and hope, with absolutely no basis in fact, instead of an apology, we get more spin.
Apparently Bowen is an "Excellent replacement for Sam Tomkins" and a "Marquee" signing.
I would say the wording is very relevant.'"
LENEGAN runs a BUSINESS he's hardly going to come out to fans and say look we are struggling for quality (but in reality he has just signed 1 of the top 5 fullback in the world) but please renew season tickets and merchandise anyway.
Its like McDonalds doing an advert saying are burgers are crap.
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"LENEGAN runs a BUSINESS he's hardly going to come out to fans and say look we are struggling for quality (but in reality he has just signed 1 of the top 5 fullback in the world) but please renew season tickets and merchandise anyway.
Its like McDonalds doing an advert saying are burgers are crap.'"
He doesn't run a business, he runs a sporting club. There is a difference (or at least should be for a team of the standing, tradition and reputation of Wigan RL).
Tbh his opposition to CC rises has in part led to the dearth of talent available for signing, so to that extent he is the architect of his own misfortune.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Actually it is.
It's about IL and his insatiable appetite to spin. He has been made to look like a baffoon over the Sam Tomkins affair. He has, intentionally or otherwise, misled the Wigan fans into thinking that ST would be here for at least 3 out of his much lauded 5 year contract.
Yet when this has been proven to be no more than spin and hope, with absolutely no basis in fact, instead of an apology, we get more spin.
Apparently Bowen is an "Excellent replacement for Sam Tomkins" and a "Marquee" signing.
I would say the wording is very relevant.'"
No, the first bit about Sam not doing his full three years is/was important, but we already knew about that - we've known about it for weeks - and you'd have looked a bit shallow kicking up about it all over again. So you jumped on the word 'marquee' - only to find, no doubt much to your surprise even though it isn't for the first time - that not everyone agrees with you even on that little matter.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"He doesn't run a business, he runs a sporting club. There is a difference (or at least should be for a team of the standing, tradition and reputation of Wigan RL).
Tbh his opposition to CC rises has in part led to the dearth of talent available for signing, so to that extent he is the architect of his own misfortune.'"
a sporting club is a business and it needs to make a profit or be supported, and all the players are assets if you like it or not. And wigans biggest Asset wants to leave and we would of been stupid to stop him.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"No, the first bit about Sam not doing his full three years is/was important, but we already knew about that - we've known about it for weeks - and you'd have looked a bit shallow kicking up about it all over again. So you jumped on the word 'marquee' - only to find, no doubt much to your surprise even though it isn't for the first time - that not everyone agrees with you even on that little matter.'"
I "found" that not everyone agrees with me? On an internet forum? No way! Gosh you are full of spectacular revelations this morning aren't you?
I highlighted the words that I did as it's further evidence of the continued spin from IL. Frankly I now struggle to believe anything he says.
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"a sporting club is a business and it needs to make a profit or be supported, and all the players are assets if you like it or not. And wigans biggest Asset wants to leave and we would of been stupid to stop him.'"
[iYou have answered your own point there.[/i
The rest of your post is irrelevant to the debate.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"[iYou have answered your own point there.[/i
The rest of your post is irrelevant to the debate.'"
i know i made my point that Wigan Warriors are a business so what? and its not really tho is it your moaning that we have allowed sam tomkins leave who is an asset and if you keep him he would become unhappy and cause unrest in the club.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"[iYou have answered your own point there.[/i
The rest of your post is irrelevant to the debate.'"
Why is the rest of his post irrelevant? Because he's adopted a realistic attitude rather than a head-in-the-sand approach.
And you seriously think attendance will fall because Sam's gone to the NRL? I remember people saying the same thing when Hanley left, and as much as I missed watching him playing for us (as I will Sam), it didn't stop me supporting the club as it won't do for the vast majority.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"I "found" that not everyone agrees with me? On an internet forum? No way! Gosh you are full of spectacular revelations this morning aren't you?
I highlighted the words that I did as it's further evidence of the continued spin from IL. Frankly I now struggle to believe anything he says.'"
You always did.
Didn't it take you something like two years to acknowledge that Michael Maguire had been a good appointment? (Or was it a 'lucky' one?  )
Mind you, at least that proves your determined-to-be-unimpressed attitude to Bowen isn't just a farcical one-off eccentricity.
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| Bowen is a sensational player.
Far better than Hodgson and he was man of steel in his first season. We are lucky to have him, and if anyone genuinely objects to the "marquee" description they should watch his last 4 performances for North Queensland. He'll go better for us than Minicello.
Give it a couple of weeks, and Sam may be leaving us with 2 LLS, 2 Cups and 2 Super League winners' medals. By my reckoning that exceeds our haul for the entire period of SL before IL took over. The only currency we deal in are trophies, and whatever IL is doing, he can keep on doing it as far as I am concerned.
I can't understand why people care what IL and Wane and other sporting people say (though it might be because we all have too much time on our hands). Words can be taken out of context, throw away remarks can be over analysed, errors of judgement can be mulled over ad nauseum. So what if we look at IL and conclude that we don't like him? That's part of life.
The one thing that matters are the current results and future prospects of the team. On current results, with 3 games to play no one has had a better season, on future prospects, if we keep Bowen fit, I think the doom sayers will be proven wrong again next year. Which brings me full circle - take Bowen's last 4 performances, watch them closely and your worries will be over.
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