Any news on oloughlin? I know they said hes out for the season, but has there been an actual announcement?

Double? You're a braver man than me, that was our best team out there tonight and we had nothing

Are you snorting illegal substances lad? We got absolutely knocked from pillar to post and couldn't get out of our own half.

This is what we need, an actual announcement.

We had no ball, a team that has not played together in weeks, the signs are there though for me.

I did not say we would do the double, but I am more confident now than I have been all year that we can do it.

Kicking game was e, lack of cohesion, all things that are easily fixable in the 2 weeks we have.

We were a bad 2nd all the way through that game. Leeds looked sharp and there defensive line was quick which really stifled us. They looked more confident and in all honesty I think we're done. Our form early in the season was superb but that's a distant memory now. I'm usually very optimistic but I think the reality has set in. We'll struggle to beat Huddersfield next week and I very much doubt we'll make the GF, never mind win it!

So i am not the only one then. I do not know about winning the GF but i do not think we played anywhere near to the potential we got. I know we got totally outplayed but the tacking was worrying it was the same against Giants and Catalan and we went to the CC and put on a great display in defending.

Last 3 good performances were:

Widnes, London and Hull FC. All must win games. Take nothing away from Leeds tonight they were good but if we put a display like that against Wire or Huddersfield would have been embarrassing. Going to answer a lot of questions our game next week,

Agreed. Tonight has made me make my mind up about next years season tickets.

Powell looks like he will give you an offload game, which is something you lack, but he looks really flat-footed on defence which led to him being ran around or going high.

If he was 25 I'd be confident of him becoming an excellent RL player as he learns the differences between forwards defence in two different sports and gets game sense. At 32, not so much.

As for doing the double...I thought Wigan were pretty good tonight, but even then absolutely nowhere near good enough. If Hudds, Wire or Leeds are at their best then I can't see where Wigan improve enough to beat any of them.

Yet non if the teams you mention have hit anywhere near the form Wigan have this season at times, so it's clear where Wigan can go, if they time it right.