I miss watching the way we played under Maguire. The high completion, low error, grind it out at all costs philosophy that frustrated the hell out of our opposition players, coaches and fans.

I still scratch my head at why you changing a trophy winning formula. That showed no signs of being found out or tactically out thought. Tweaking of that formula I can appreciate and understand. But fundamental changes to a style that won us trophy's in 2010 and 2011, for no apparent reason. Pig headed in my book, nothing more nothing less.

It's one of the reasons for my absence on this forum in recent times.

Even the players game smarts and rugby brains don't seem quite as clinical as they did under Madge.

Never the less I'll continue to support the players through thick and thin no matter what, because as a fan that's what you do. Just when I clap, I won't clap happy.

Glad to hear that you weren't being patronising to Wakey, they gave us a hell of a game last month and deserved to win even without their best two players.

If you think that Rugby League players try to win at all costs by cheating like footballers do then I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Success or failure isn't a black and white issue like some people think (The - "If we don't win a trophy then he's a failure" - mentality). It's all about context. Any reasonable person would take other things into account like how well the team have performed over the season, whether they have had bad luck with injuries and so on, because if it was down to luck then that might change next year and we win something without the upheaval of changing the coach.

Football is the worst game in the world for cheating its minimal in RL compared to it. When you got a manager who uses the media to put pressure on a ref and then gets the team to do it in a game then its beyond a professional game.

Do not get me wrong we have seen some extraordinary displays by Wane's teams Leeds away last season been 1 of the best and the humiliation put on Saints in the Magic Weekend until Hock's brain fart was fantastic. But for all the great games come September get 1 bad one its over. Its not Wane's fault that the league is the third most important thing to win now but in the end he has got to win something or he will not get an extension. Though if we get to a final i can see him here next season. Though after that i agree with DaveO he has got to win something in 2014.

Don't know. IL played his cards very close to his chest with Noble IIRC. Maybe something will be said after the CC. That time seems to be the favourite suggestion for an announcement re Sam so maybe something about Wane will be said then also.The last we heard on the matter was from Wane (I think) saying contract talks were on the back burner.

Looking better for Waney now, eh?

Based on what IL said in the press before the game, yes it is.