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Not according to the numerous times when you posted since pre season and throughout this season. Get me the details of your six month holiday. Must have been a fantastic offer icon_wink.gif Use the power of google to get yourself up to speed Andrew.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "If it's accuracy your interested in you might want to add the words paranoid, childish and pathetic too. How old are you?'"


Some "Olive branch"...........

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "Don't you think some of your output could be viewed as abusive? You slap down more people in here than anyone ( even if I agree with virtually all of it). Also, who are you likening me to on the other forum? Am I allowed to feel abused if it's CP Wigan?

I am sick of repeating my stance on here. Where have I posted or even agreed that the club is being poorly run? Don't you see that we, and indeed WP, are virtually in agreement? You state that maybe IL is handling the Sam saga badly but isn't a fool and is running the club well. I couldn't agree more!

With regard to WP I have held out the olive branch at least twice. When I referred to doe eyed support on here am I wrong? Just look at the current thread on not clapping opponents. That was what I referred to as evidence for my statement. WP posted on there showing his feelings against those posting the IMO unsportsmanlike claptrap. In total agreement with me, yet he takes offence at my comments when those that should don't! Ironic or what? I'm afraid you'll just have to excuse me for reacting.

Perhaps I should have done as Cadoo did (would that I had the eloquence), just post your opinion once and brilliantly and leave it at that.'"


My last comment referred entirely to your previous comment, which contained uncharacteristic name-calling (only that seemed similar to you-know-who; I'm certainly not comparing you to him in any other way). But okay, I'll stay out of any personal dispute.

To be honest, I've lost track of people's opinions on this matter now. I think we're all a bit stressed by it, and maybe people are sounding off in a way they shouldn't. No offence was intended.

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Quote: Wigan Peer "Some "Olive branch"...........'"

I would refer you to a previous post if only I could find it. We've disagreed in so many threads it's either in IFL, rumours, or the Sam thread. Wherever, it is a specific apology to you for any unintended offence caused. Not that it appears to have had the desired effect.

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Quote: Jukesays "I'm really going to regret this but here goes.

Opinions on players performances, players we should be buying, team structures etc. are all subjective so fill your boots.

Now believe it or believe it not I'm actually not that bothered but I find it strange at times that in certain circumstances when analysing certain issues surrounding certain employees of the club some people like to make assumptions about a situation (that may end up being correct or not) but then push these assumptions as reasons and examples as to why said people are performing well or not.

I can't criticise IFL for example for selling ST when I don't know yet whether he has or hasn't.
I'm not going to get into a slanging match with people who tell me that getting rid of Gaz hock was all SWs fault and IFL is a disgrace for backing his coach all based on someone who says he's "in the know" without any evidence for this.
And let's be honest, what's gone on over the last 3/4 months seems to be the fall out from the Hock situation with certain people who predicted that the club would "Fall apart" etc. with player unrest. Now seeing as this hasn't manifested itself on the field as predicted we seem to now have a barrage of criticism (as I say the majority based on speculation) of the clubs hierarchy and if you don't mind, I'll wait and see until more facts are known before I decide to join in the criticism (which I may do dependant on the explanations given) or not.
I would say that's an ok stance to take and nothing controversial?
As Crunchers said numerous times, if people want to criticise based on assumptions, info they know but can't tell anyone else for whatever reason or whatever that's up to them.
Just don't expect people to sit back and be brainwashed by it, they'll question it and push back and offer counter arguments which I assume is ok?'"


Well that was interesting because in my opinion you are one of the best at speculating when it suits. Cruncher is the same and I just responded to a post of his on the signings thread where he speculates Wane is using talk of a move to NZW to chivvy IL along with a contract. Pure speculation. I am not trying to be offensive when I say that but I am just making an observation which is basically people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I am sure you will recall me pointing out some of your Chinese Whisper type arguments in the past. I suppose the formal way to describe some of them were straw man type posts but whatever if you think you have never indulged in what you criticize others for I reckon you should look back over some of your own posts.

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Quote: DaveO "Well that was interesting because in my opinion you are one of the best at speculating when it suits. Cruncher is the same and I just responded to a post of his on the signings thread where he speculates Wane is using talk of a move to NZW to chivvy IL along with a contract. Pure speculation. I am not trying to be offensive when I say that but I am just making an observation which is basically people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I am sure you will recall me pointing out some of your Chinese Whisper type arguments in the past. I suppose the formal way to describe some of them were straw man type posts but whatever if you think you have never indulged in what you criticize others for I reckon you should look back over some of your own posts.'"


I seem to remember the "Straw men" posts but cant rememeber ANY of them being ppointed at ANY of my posts.

Now I'm sure if you went through all my posts over the years you will find speculation (As people always say it's a forum for debate).

However
I'm not sure you'll find many were I'm criticising people doing their job based on hearsay, rumours and speculation I may or may not have heard.
As stated previously my perspective is that a lot of the "Happy Clappers" are being classed as that purely for basically saying "Lets wait and see what the facts are before we criticise anyone".
That doesnt seem to be enough for some people and they believe the rumours etc. (Whihc may end up being true) but use it as a stick to beat the club and/or its employees up without any evidence that these rumours are true.

But go ahead, post ny conjecture etc. and lets see if it's anything like some of the stuff regarding Hock & Wane where some people claiming to be "In the know" were suggesting dirty dealings by the club and Hock was some kind of Angel in the whole saga.
And once again I'll point out that this seems to be the key critical situation in all of this and the subsequent fall out. We were supposed to see a club falling apart, a mass of players unhappy and wanting to leave etc etc yet we have a club that is top of the league, in a cup qtr final, juniors abundant coming through etc. As far as I can tell it didnt happen?
So what happens, lets forget about all that and try & manufacture other reasons for our dismay at how the club is run?

Anyway, I knew I'd regret it so go ahead "Quote away".

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