Wigan's go forward is worse under Wane than it was under Madge. By his own admission Wane wanted to play differently to the way Madge had the team playing. The Wane way reminds of Wire 3/4 years ago when they would destroy rubbish in meaningless matches and look amazing BUT come to big games particularly as the nights closed in and wet, cold weather took hold they bombed. Under Madge the team played finals football in every game. Finals football is very different from the silly season which is why Leeds do well come finals time.

We had a formula that won major competitions. The squad was getting stronger and yet our coach has been critical of the Madge way, openly/publically admitted he is not a good assistant coach and rather than adhere to the continuity ticket many presumed was the reason for him being promoted Wane openly want to create a new way. A way that thus far breaks down when it comes to the biggest games. We have gone from being a club that won either the GF or CC each season to one that hails the hubcap as a sign of progress. Forget what you, I or any fan thinks they know; Do you not find it odd that seasoned pros like Paul Deacon say they learned more in a season under Madge than their whole career in successful teams / highly regarded coaches elsewhere. The Madge philosophy is seeing Souths make progress unheralded since the early 70's. It just strikes me the man best placed to learn from Madge never did for whatever reason(s) and our club went from one winning major competitions with a fantastic long term culture seemingly ready to continue winning at least one major competition every season (N.B The hubcap is not a major competition)

Too many passes particularly in your own half and far too many 2nd man plays in your own half, lateral/lateral/lateral has seen Wigan go from a team that destroyed teams clinically in the first 20 minutes and then strangle those teams for the duration to one that is far more hit and miss, has failed to score in the first 40 minutes for 2 consecutive games and rarely enjoys control of matches for the duration. When a team is physically dominant particularly in the tackle / POTB IMO you see less injuries suffered by your own players and far more by opposing players. We are the Wire of old who could be sublime or stupidly silly.

I do hope we get one of our blowing hot days when it matters but I know I had far more faith in the Madge Way than the Wane Way. We should be enjoying a fantastic period of dominance in a SL competition that is getting poorer and poorer season after season.

What evidence do you have re Lima and Coley?

Yes OK. The idea of moving several odd posts elsewhere using the mechanisms available wasn't exactly a great prospect.

So Andy Powell had fragile confidence and self belief? Did he tell you that himself? Shame on Wane for playing him.

I'll answer that for you. You don't have a f'ing clue how prepared or willing Powell was to make his debut. Or how 'vulnerable' he was. Or if Wane asked how he felt about playing or if he was ready to play.

That's the last I'm going to say on it.

He needed to play his first game at some point, and it was going to be a struggle. If he played tomorrow he'd already look a lot stronger just from having that first run out under his belt imo. I would give him time at the Scorpions, but I definitely believe there's a lot of potential in him as a rugby league player.

I don't think I've ever seen an overreaction like this thread. If we'd won by the margin we'd lost and he played exactly the same as he did, this thread wouldn't be anything like the drama it is now.