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| Quote EastStandFaithful="EastStandFaithful"Just posted that on the other forum
Players left since 2010:
Phil Bailey
George Carmont
Andy Coley
Paul Deacon
Stuart Fielden
Brett Finch
Martin Gleeson
Gareth Hock
Ryan Hoffman
Thomas Leuluai
Jeff Lima
Feka
Mark Riddell
Joel Tomkins
Players in the exit lounge:
Lee Mossop
Pat Richards
Sam Tomkins
Chris Tuson
Harrison Hansen?'"
Mostly at retire age, here because they could not be fitted on the salary cap of Melbourne Storm, crocked, not good enough or in the case of Tommy wanting to play in the NRL.
All replaced by players from our own good production line. As will be the case with the last five if and when they leave.
No player is bigger than the club.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"I agree Richards isn't the force he once was but he's still a huge player for us via his ability with the ball, his goal kicking and his influence. He will be massively hard to replace but not impossible. As for Tomkins he was always going to go but why now? It couldn't be a worse time IMO. We have a couple of 18 year old kids who ideally, could do with another year or two under him before stepping up and in terms of other options to sign and bring in to the club they look very thin on the ground.
I'd like to point out that I'm not simply whinging here and I'm a massive fan of Ian Lenagan, who has transformed this club but I'm simply worried that we can't keep sustaining these losses. We have brilliant kids yet we don't want to get to the point where that is all we have, kids! And kids that keep getting shifted on to be replaced by more kids.
We need to start making these contracts players are signing mean more IMO. At the end of this season I can take the departures of Richards and Tuson, they're out if contract and we had little choice but its a different story with Sam and Mossop. We have them tied up yet they're going!
I have no issue with these lads wanting a test in the NRL, its great for their careers and development but they're under contract at Wigan and we need them still. They should be working around our needs not the other way round.
The timing feels all wrong to me. I hope Lenagan and Wane (if he's here) prove me wrong. They've certainly allayed by fears of 12 months back so far this year.'"
I don't disagree with this.
My previous comments notwithstanding, I feel deeply despondent about the Sam thing. I don't understand why we can't make him see out at least another year of the ringfenced portion of his contract. It's not even as if NZW is the sort of chance he can't afford to miss. Why on Earth he's going there completely baffles me. Even Russell Crowe was bemused by it.
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| Joe Burgess in for Richards next season. Scored another two tries in U20's this weekend against Warrington. The lad is special.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Joe Burgess in for Richards next season. Scored another two tries in U20's this weekend against Warrington. The lad is special.'"
He scored three.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"I don't disagree with this.
My previous comments notwithstanding, I feel deeply despondent about the Sam thing. I don't understand why we can't make him see out at least another year of the ringfenced portion of his contract. It's not even as if NZW is the sort of chance he can't afford to miss. Why on Earth he's going there completely baffles me. Even Russell Crowe was bemused by it.'"
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What is a contract in any sport these day's when players and agents seemed to have all the power.
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| Quote Gurney Slade="Gurney Slade"#
What is a contract in any sport these day's when players and agents seemed to have all the power.'"
Certainly seems that way sometimes...
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| A contract being in force is the difference between a club getting a transfer fee and not.
Graham and Eastmond left Saints when their contracts had run out, the club didn't get a fee for either.
Joel, Mossop and Sam are leaving in contract and Wigan will pick up £100,000s.
That's what today's contracts are worth IMO.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Joe Burgess in for Richards next season. Scored another two tries in U20's this weekend against Warrington. The lad is special.'"
Surely needs first team experience under his belt before it can be suggested that he is Pat's replacement for next season. The selections when injuries have hit in our backline suggest that at least Gelling is ahead of him in the pecking order. I find it very doubtful that we'd throw an untested youngster in without ever playing at that level before, hence why we are linked with Tom Briscoe.
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| Burgess may be a cracker but we can't throw him in as first choice and expect it to work. He hasn't even made his debut yet and to go from a points scoring machine, club legend wingman to an untried kid just won't stack up both from a onfield perspective and a financial one.
With all the injuries in the modern game he'll get his chance anyway as a squad player and if he's good enough he'll take it and make himself first choice.
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| NZ Warriors have won the U20s competition for the last 3 years IIRC and are pretty dominant at that level with several players stepping up into both the NRL side and the Kiwi side. Granted that may change with their current coach leaving and Stacey Jones coming in, but it won't be a bad thing for some of our younger players to head over there for a season and train/play in that setup.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Joe Burgess in for Richards next season. Scored another two tries in U20's this weekend against Warrington. The lad is special.'"
Are you related to him? Phil Clarke raves on about him and guess what? he's his uncle. From what I've seen of him is an above average player not anywher near the class of Pat Richards
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