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Of course it is. However that still wouldnt stop most of the games so far this season being nothing more than training runs for wigan. Do you honestly believe hand on heart that the current system is a good one and in the best interest of producing the best we can as a sport?

I realy dont understand why the sport has to be "fair" why not be elitist and make those clubs who have contributed next to nothing over the decades improve as opposed to dragging the few hard working clubs down to their level?

They have all been full time for long enough now. Should start acting like it. 60 points again today. What exactly are they doing in training as its clearly not training for rugby matches.

well how come wigan havn't ever won the gf from finishing lower down the league ladder then,surely their ultimate goal was winning it from wherever they finished in the league was it not?

i'm not being pedantic here pal but you can't have it both ways

Finishing top is rendered totally irrelevant on the fact that everyone knows at the start of the season finishing top doesn't qualify you to be champions. I never saw these kind of posts from the majority of wigan fans in 2004, 2007, 2008 and 2009, when wigan had a shot at making the grand final and possibly winning from a lowly position. Rather these concerns have to come to the fore in the last few years when wigan have finished high but failed to make the grand final.

I don't blame you, I don't think theres many fans that don't have a problem with the current set up, but it is what it is and every club knows the deal at seasons start.

But let's not be naive enough to think a team like leeds would be scraggling around losing to the likes of salford and london at home if it was first past the post, we've all seen how they step up a gear when the title is on the line.

Wigan should still go all out to finish as high as they can, they just need to make sure they produce when it's do or die.

---this--- ppl can defend the present format as much as they like, ( also we are not all thickos,we do actually get gist of sl and grand finals

)but due to this format, i for one will not be renewing my s-t nxt season as most of the early season games i have watched i have found ,imo,a bit pointless to watch , from nxt season i will just tend to pick and choose games i think will worth turning up for ,and surely that cant really be good for the game ?as a lot of fans i have spoken too are also going to do the same.

Just for the record, i was not defending the 8 team playoffs, i think they do damage to SL as a whole. I would be happier with a 5 team playoff, but still think that the Hubcap is a bigger prize, and more difficult to win.

And before someone says anything YES I KNOW WE ALL KNOW THE RULES WHEN THE SEASON STARTS.

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i know,i was actually agreeing with what you said,i must have put it wrong,i meant all the ppl that defend the present format,not yourself!

Exactly. It's because of the system Leeds can afford to do it. And why the regular season in pointless. If Leeds had to win more games to qualify then that would raise the standards

Which season would Leeds have had to win more games to qualify for the play-offs?

None

But you and I both know it would have been harder for them to do it from 5th under the old system so they may have tried a little harder to finish higher up the ladder?

By beating a lot of teams who had nothing to play for? That will get the fans flocking in.

Leeds beat 8th, 4th, 2nd, and 1st in knockout games, thats a tough run in anyones book. St Helens, the only top 4 club Leeds didnt play were comfortably beaten by Wire, it wouldnt have had a big effect, if any.

We are not disputing that Leeds are champions. We are saying the regular season could be improved by making the top teams deliver a higher intensity to qualify for the playoffs.