Quote: Famous "Sorry I gave you far too much credit when I asked if you were being obtuse, you obviously don’t have the intelligence to be. If you can’t even understand why what you have wrote in reply is so foolish then I am not going to pretty much repeat myself for nothing, you may as well read what you are quoting again and try to understand, maybe get your son to help you. Where have I said £26m has disappeared? Do you not currently think that Rugby Union clubs get TV revenue? Can you really not see, or understand, that any increase in money from a new TV deal is just an increase on what they got in the old deal and is not all just new money? '"
Of course they get TV revenue. A lot of it. They now get even more. That is why they moved from Sky to BT.
Quote: Famous "For some reason you do seem rather hung up on this 50% figure which in isolation is rather meaningless. If you read your first sentence again you may understand why your post previously was so stupid. I don’t know what they are going to do, maybe they are just going to use it to reduce their already vast losses so that the sugar daddies dont need to plough quite as much money in.'"
Well at least you are now acknowledging they are getting more money not from the sugar daddy route. Their salary cap is currently £4.5m. The TV deal is worth £38m a year. Divided by 12 that is £3m a year so £1.5m to find. They also get about £730K from the RFU per season. So that leaves £770K to find which is bugger all given sponsorships, prize money, gate receipts merchandise and so on. Far less than what Wigan has to find off its own bat for example to fund our much smaller cap and run the club.
Quote: Famous "I suggest you learn to read a little better. I gave you a breakdown club by club of profits and losses which showed exactly what each club made or lost. By saying that 7 clubs lost more than £1.5 million I was trying to make it as simple as possible for you to understand and to illustrate that clubs getting an extra £1 million will mean they will still lose money. Seems this wasnt simple enough for you though. Also the debt is not covered by the extra TV revenue as I have shown.
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See above. You make it sound as if this their only income which it if course is not. In a previous post I said this (which is what you disagreed with)ambition[/i to pay players more money aiming to[i towards[/i soccer first division and they ARE getting more money into the sport to divide up and this money is NOT reliant on sugar daddies as it is coming from the increased TV revenue.
Quote: Famous "Is this for real? If you bothered to read the article that I gave you, and which you quote above it says, “English clubs expect to get roughly £1 million more per club as part of their £152 million deal with BT Vision.” Here is a different link for you, that shows they expect to get £1 million more per club, as you struggled to read and understand that oneAs for the rest of your post when I read nonsense like that it is obvious you are just being pedantic and arguing for arguments sake, with absolutely no basis. Your waffle about the Football Championship is a prime example of that. Turnover, wages, attendences, facilities, TV revenue are all far higher in the Football Championship so what are you even arguing about here. You dont even provide a counter argument apart from its an ambition. Well its my ambition to be a multi billionaire but just because my pay went up a little last year it doesnt mean its going to happen.'"
Given all I ever said it was it was their stated
ambition what on earth do I have to counter? I never said it was anything else [iother[/i than an ambition. So if there is any waffle here its from you arguing as if [iI[/i had said something completely different.
Quote: Famous "I dont really care if you believe what I have said or not, I am just stating facts and figures, which are fairly easy to interpret and my arguments are based on this. You have links to what the deal is worth per club and you have links to profits and losses of all clubs of all Premiership Rugby Union clubs. In the one link you have posted there is absolutely nothing that suggests that RU clubs will no longer be dependant on sugar daddies or match Championship Footballs wages. You can say TV revenue is going up 50% until the cows come home, or alternative true statements like the sky is blue, which may also be correct, but it has absolutely no relevance to backing up your claims.'"
I never said it would allow them to match championship wages and the quotes in the links do not say that either. "Our aim has for a long time been to put ourselves on a par with football's [second tier] Championship
and we are well on our way". Does not mean they are about to match championship wages and I never said it would. So it's no use arguing I did.
What I also said ages ago was this in relation to the whole thing:
"It doesn't really matter though from an RL point of view. The fact remains in order to compete with RU and NRL salary caps RL needs to find a lot of cash from outside the sport because RL's sugar daddies are not going to bankroll the sport to the required extent. You can seek crumbs of comfort on RU clubs balance sheets if you want but they aren't going away."
And that remains the case.