Beautifully put.

You don't do irony do you?

The post I responded to exonerated Wane and laid the blame at the players feet. That is obviously incorrect so I put forward the opposite position in equally one sided terms. I would have thought what I was doing was obvious



If the penny hasn't dropped yet we ended up where we did because the both Wane and the players made mistakes.

i take it you didnt hear what wane said at the last supports meeting as to his reason for picking murphy at full back?

I replied to exactly the points you made. I suggest you re-read your own post.



You said "If I were to put the blame on anyone last year it would be on the senior players not him."

You never actually mentioned the LLS or that he was being cast as a pariah at all !!!



What you did was come up with a series of excuses to exonerate Wane as you are doing here. This bit "It doesnt matter who the coach is, if the players hunger has gone NO ONE will motivate them!" is complete and utter nonsense. It is his job to deal with that.

There is also of course the fact it is only your opinion that Lima and Finch were already on the plane not a fact. While Lima's form dipped there is was nothing to suggest Finch gave anything less than 100% and I think it it's completely disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.



You ignored the team selection Wane made for that game. There was plenty of debate on here about Lockers out of position and that it would be a mistake to play him at 6. One of the reasons Leeds were a better team was down to Wane's team selection. In fact IMO Wane dealt with the loss of Tommy particularly badly.



I don't accord any such thing. I do understand the coach has a big influence over how the team plays.



Er... Murphy was at fault for two of their tries but he shouldn't have been on the pitch. Plenty of debate about that team selection as well but that isn't the point as it is just one example that shows Wane has a much greater influence over how the team plays than you make out.



And I disagree with all of them. He didn't do a good job rotating the squad. He cocked it up. The fact it was his first season is irrelevant as is being as good as anyone bar MM. Being Wigan coach is not the place for on the job training and what he clearly decided do was change the way the team played compared to Madge which is IMO his biggest mistake of the lot. Instead of continuity he changed things completely. The senior pros did not let us down badly and Wane made a right mess of handling Tommy's injury. And finally while losing is no disgrace that doesn't mean Wane didn't contribute to the losses.

There is one point you have failed to mention though and that is this. If you are going to say this:

"If I were to put the blame on anyone last year it would be on the senior players not him."

then it must follow that it was down to the players and not Wane that the team played as well as it did early in the season and won the LLS.

Now I don't think it is as black and white as that but with you it seems to me Wane gets all the credit for what was good about last season and none of the blame for what was bad about it.

It would have been pretty hard for me to hear that since I wasn't there. You could have saved some time by simply posting "At the supporters meeting Wane said he picked Muprhy because...."

Care to clarify?

Dave.
re Tommys injury. Why did Wane make a mess of handling it? Given the fact that the back up scrum half (Sam Powell) was out with a broken leg and he signed a replacement scrum half (Matty Smith) about three weeks after Tommys injury.

... because pat richards( the person who yourself and many other fans including myself thought should have played there) felt he wasnt upto the modern full back role and could do a better job on the wing.Im all for people having an opinion on here but when you have a senior player telling a coach he can do a better job for the team playing on the wing then on this one your wrong to keep ranting on about it.

for me wla sums it up perfectly... wane made mistakes but he also had us playing some fantastic rugby, hopefully this time we will play the good stuff at the right time in the season.

Leeds only scored one try and that was as a result of Brett Finch throwing the ball on the floor while we were attacking Leeds' line.

I like how in one breath you criticise Wane for replacing Leuluai with O'Loughlin an older player being moved out of position but someone who has covered the halves in the past. Then criticise him for playing Murphy, a like for like replacment rather than reshuffling the team.

While I am on the Leeds game I think its a game we should have won and were overall the better team. However if people are looking for reasons as to why we lost how about the fact that Sam was out injured, it was only Leuluai's third game back, McIlorum was banned and we were playing O'Loughlin as replacement hooker to begin with. These are problems with the entire spine of the team, most of which are beyond Wane's control. Is it that surprising we were out of sorts.