Not quite following you to be honest, still struggling to understand how you can make a statement like "Coventry Bear and 21 -12 are not on here saying the Ultras are the bees knees and everyone who criticises them have no idea what they are talking about" and come out with all the above guff which doesn't back up your original statement.

Also my comments on the Brigantes/Ultras has been dug up from a good couple of seasons ago, a lot has changed since then.

Clearly you haven't grown up though...

You're going to have to come up with some different quotes from Cov Bears to defend what you originally said about them.

I'll come up with some quotes...

"If I was to give constructive feedback (not a criticism) I would forget putting stickers all over the place as this is technically vandalism and gives the Brigantes group a bad rep. Through singing and putting on impressive displays at games, word will get around. Also add in the Youtube group, forum and website it all helps"

"I would also drop the cherry and white balaclava that someone is wearing because it looks intimidating and daft, also the Megaphone looks like you are protesting against something and isn't really needed"

I am in no way connected with the Brigantes/Ultras group and on a number of occasions have given suggestions to how they can improve to get away from the Ultra type perception that comes with this type of thing. I've given them credit where its due on improving the atmosphere at games and in no way ever condoned anything wrong that they have done.

Unnecessary statement from Durham Giant in the first place to be honest.

Brigantes an anagram for 'breasting'?

Its clearly dividing us , although most do seem to agree that this behaviour has to stop now. I like some of the things they've tried to do " The flags , some of the songs and the atmosphere they have tried to bring to games " I'm all for it.

Just one last thing on the subject for me. Brigantes keep dong the flags and songs for the team , but the silly behaviour stop it now lads for the benefit of all Wigan fans .

these idiots are nowt but a bunch of young idiots who cant take their beer,if they decide to kick off at cas or leeds they will find themselves getting owned just like they did at HKR last season

Unfortunately that is the sort of reaction it encourages in other teams numpties.

Then i am quite happy to apologise

as it appears that your views have changed. I was only going on what i remebered at the time of the original discussions when anyone who said it was bad idea were shouted down.

Although trouble occurs at all crowds by all sets of fans at some time- those incidents are usually down to tempers fraying and too much beer and just occur as things flare up. However these cretins are going round with scarves and hoods to hide their identity, and flares/firecrackers in their pocket. There is a perceived intention to intimidate and disrupt. A reputation will grow from this if people act all ostrich like and put it down to a few idiots, that's what it is at the moment but that could change as people make the choice to stay away. I doubt the terrified little girl in tears in the carpark will want to come again with her grandfather,
I will be coming to the DW - but I'm seriously thinking twice about taking my elderly mum and my seven and eight year old.

I have to say we certailny dont want our club Reputation to be marred by thuggish hooligans, and no matter how many of you try to defend them or try to compensate for all the good they have tried to do i personally saw some of the trouble makers and they were kitted out in stone island jackets and all your typical hooligan gear, do us a favour put a warriors shirt on or frigg off and watch the football. Rugby League has never and will never be a breeding ground for hooliganism there's a reason why we call it a family sport and a reason why we are allowed to drink alchohol in our seats, if mindless idiots like yourselves were to take this priveledge away from me and the other 99.9% of fans, i for one will make sure every last one of you gets a lifetime ban from attending our games, we dont need your kind of support, grow up or ship out!

RL had a shocking reputation in the 70s and early 80s.