The arrogance inherent in that statement is so astounding its almost to be applauded.....almost. nor do i understand you premise. plenty of history and what you would call the 'correct ethos' at widnes good sir.

It'll be one more nail in the coffin if we lose Hock. We all know Sam will be off soon, Mossops rumored to have an NRL clause, Hansens getting offers from the NRL, thats the core of the great team we have built. We are heading the way we were in 2006, and replacing these players with others who arent good enough.

i dont know if hes going or not...... he may be a penalty machine and have a lot of baggage but hes the best second row in england and every team whether they admit it or not would like him in their side

IF he goes then I would hope/like Wigan to bring in Nathan Hindmarsh on a one year deal, just to add a bit of steel and help with the leadership.

Definitely going - Wigan just holding out for a fee. Apparently his attitude since the Aus deal fell through hasn't been great. Not many people mess Shaun Wane about and get away with it. Widnes bound if they stump up the fee

This I think is the real shame of it. Hock will go downhill because he will be the big star, pretty much untouchable, and he will be frustrated as heck, standing behind the sticks conceding try after try while opposition fans target him with taunts.

I've always had a lot of time for Hock despite what people say about him (same with Gleeson), yes he's a bit of a headtheball but he's in the highest class. I would have loved to see him go to the NRL, I think on hard grounds with great support play round them he could carve up and be a superstar there.

If it didn't mean coming to Lancashire & having to look at a Wiganer's hairy ass I would love to see it.

No need to get offended. We're Wigan Rugby and it's just how we roll!

So where do Widnes get this six figure sum from? It doesn't seem that long since D Betts was saying Widnes were in a bad way financially!

I am not a Wigan fan, but I wouldn't be too upset if you sold him. If your club are willing to let him go then he is clearly being a disruptive influence behind the scenes. You will get a decent chunk of cap space back and could be able to strengthen in other areas

wiganer???...........................................i'm a widnes fan from sthelens