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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No it would make the play-offs an extended post season jolly. We would be playing a competition where the ‘champions’ have already been decided.
For the vast majority of our history as a game, the champions have been the team which is consistent enough to qualify for the play-offs, and good enough to beat the big sides, in the big games, when the pressure is on. I like, that i think that is the best way of deciding who is the champion side. I want to know who is the best, who can play to the highest level when it counts, im not really interested in who can consistantly win against the smaller sides.
The champions have already been decided, the play-offs would be a damp squib, a sure fire set up for ‘after the lord mayors parade’. Play-offs are no longer the play-offs, they would be a short cup competition between a small amount of teams.. Why would people hold any value in it?
We wouldn’t have a premier and minor premier, we would league champions and post-season cup winners. It would make the play-offs pointless Why should it be the most important? Why should we prize being consistent over being good? Why should we prize quantity over quality?
There would be no point to the play-offs. It would be the worst of both worlds. If you are that desperate for the league to decide the champions rather than the traditional way we have decided our champions then don’t bother with the play-offs at all.
European football is in the minority of world wide sports to decide its champions that way. Far Far Far more sports throughout the world decide their champions in the way we do now, and have traditionally done.
The season does matter. Wigan just got it wrong this year, they peaked at the wrong time and were pretty poor for the last quarter of the year. It is a lazy analysis to say that Leeds didn’t try throughout the season and just came good at the end, whilst poor ol’ wigan went out in every game to win with a Corinthian spirit of fair play in their hearts, giving their all as sport should be. Its nonsense. Leeds train to peak at different points throughout the season. They have accepted that they cant be at 100% throughout the year. This means there are periods of the season when they play poorly, not deliberately, but because their fitness training is designed to factor in low periods because they need high periods. That’s why they win games in bunches, and lose games in bunches. Wigan didn’t do that, they tried to be 100% all the time, this meant that they had one long high period and one long low period. So when they met teams early in the season, on their low period, Wigan were playing at a higher level and blew them away, but at the end of the year when other teams where in their high period, like the last quarter of the year, Wigan lost 2 games v Leeds, against Wire and against St’s Wigan lost 5 of their last 12 games, they weren’t unlucky in one result going out to Leeds, they weren’t caught on the hop by a team who hadn’t tried throughout the season, they expended so much energy winning games early in the year that at the business end of the season they weren’t good enough to win the big games. I cant say I have too much sympathy for a team which won so many early season games, and lost so many of the late season games not being champions.
Some people are questioning the validity of the competition because they dont understand what happened. Because Leeds set themselves up correctly to win the competition early season form meant they looked worse than they were, they were playing below themselves whilst others played above. Because Wigan didnt set themselves up correctly to win the competition their early season form made them look better than they were. Wigan peaked in late May/early june, they didnt win a big game after that.'"
I was ok with this (albeit I comprehensively dispute every point you make) until the bit in bold. It is after all just your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, the bit in bold shows unbelievable arrogance! We don't understand what really happened??? Really??? Well thanks for enlightening us. I don't know how I ever managed until you came along. If you could see fit to explain the rest of this baffling world we live in I'd be ever so grateful! Suffice to say I, along with many others, am not happy watching and paying for meaningless games. You quite obviously are. Enjoy.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "I think you have answered my case perfectly well, so thank you.
Why don't you feel that football has to follow our lead? May be because it has got its product right? May be because paymasters Sky can sell a set of fixtures throughout the whole season as games that matter rather than the regular rounds descending into some 27 week warm up for a 6 week end of year frenzy, (it will only get worse IMO)?
The football 'play off'/Champions League is a separate competition. City won the Premiership and are called the Champions Chelsea didn't usurp them because they won the Champions League because it is deemed to be a better competition. when Liverpool last won it they weren't even the best team in Merseyside.
I'm not blaming the RL as such, just looking for a fairer reward/acknowledgement for a seasons' work. I'm not a Wigan, or Leeds fan, but, congratulated them heartily on their successes this year'"
I have a passing interest/intense dislike of other sports, but apart from football they all seem to be regularly re-inventing themselves or introducing new competitions - cricket/yawnion. I haven't a clue who the league winners were in either of those last season but was fully aware of the media frenzy around their respective cup competitions. Interestingly, & I am not sure there is any relevance, but both of those sports appear to have a select bunch of players who never/hardly ever play league games, being reserved for international duty as that is the big money earner.
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| Quote: tigertot "I remember a Wigan coach doing it & getting a 44-0 stuffing at Cas, ask Kris Radlinski if, on his debut, they went out to get beat.'"
Hadn't half our team played for Great Britain the day/week before hence the changes? Don't think it was done out of dis-resepect or the like. I'm sure it was forced.
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| Quote: tigertot " Interestingly, & I am not sure there is any relevance, but both of those sports appear to have a select bunch of players who never/hardly ever play league games, being reserved for international duty as that is the big money earner.'"
You're right it is irrelevant, let's look at centrally contracting RL players to an international team to play against whom?
No disrespect to the World Cup and the teams in it, but, seriously how many competative teams are there at the moment, would Austrailia and NZ fancy going down the same route?
There isn't a market for it surely? Not even on planet tigertot
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Personally I think a play off format in the PL would be a great idea. Maybe its because my team arn't in the PL but I find it for the most part pretty dull. The quality of the teams from top to bottom has got worse over the last 2 couple of years and when you consider the amount of money that gets thrown around in the English game its a bit of a shambles England arn't the dominant nation at club level or internationally.'"
You sir, are a right Charlie.
English Clubs haven't done too badly on the European stage over the years. In fact, in the last eight tournaments there have been seven finalists including three winners, one of which are the current holders, not a bad return?
Perhaps the national team is being hampered by the money getting thrown around at foreign imports? Something we need to be aware of?
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "You sir, are a right Charlie.
English Clubs haven't done too badly on the European stage over the years. In fact, in the last eight tournaments there have been seven finalists including three winners, one of which are the current holders, not a bad return?
Perhaps the national team is being hampered by the money getting thrown around at foreign imports? Something we need to be aware of?'"
I said the quality of the teams in the PL has decreased accross the board in the last couple of years, as has the quality of the English teams in the CL. Citeh have spent nearly half a trillion and can't get close to qualifying for the knockout stage, Chelsea have been exposed this season in the CL, and Man U didn't get out of their group last season. Yes English teams have done very well in previous years, but it seems clear to me the quality of the English teams involved is decreasing despite the millions of £££s being thrown around.
I'm not convinced the weakness of the national side is down to the amount of imports playing in the PL, even when English clubs dominated Europe in the 70/80s England were still pretty gash.
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