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sale sharks 6800, London welsh 4500, London irish 7000, London wasp 6500, Exeter 7000, Worcester 8000, Saracens 6500 that is approx what will watch these clubs on a average game at there regular stadiums. Its nothing to shout about is really not much different to are lower clubs. Only club that gets regular big crowds is Leicester Tigers the rest are bumped up with these free ticket days at wembley and twickenham. Also london irish on st patricks day go from 6500 - 7000 to getting 20,000 for a day probably due to free tickets. The only team in london that get decent crowds is harlequins average 14,000. We talk about boom and bust most of these union clubs are losing a fortune but still want to offer people like Tomkins big money it is only due to wealthy owners as they take are players. We could do same if we raised cap and the likes of IL put his hand in his pocket. Yeah we would lose money but its up to owners to clear the debt and if we ever lose a wealthy a owner the club goes t*ts up just like saracens would if there owner walked away. If we are going to die as you all say we might as well go down fighting and yes there will be a gap between the top and the bottom clubs but there already is now so nothing will change. Look at there losses in this in 2009-2010 and nothing will have changed for them www.nowrugby.com/mb/showthread.php?t=84333 |
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sale sharks 6800, London welsh 4500, London irish 7000, London wasp 6500, Exeter 7000, Worcester 8000, Saracens 6500 that is approx what will watch these clubs on a average game at there regular stadiums. Its nothing to shout about is really not much different to are lower clubs. Only club that gets regular big crowds is Leicester Tigers the rest are bumped up with these free ticket days at wembley and twickenham. Also london irish on st patricks day go from 6500 - 7000 to getting 20,000 for a day probably due to free tickets. The only team in london that get decent crowds is harlequins average 14,000. We talk about boom and bust most of these union clubs are losing a fortune but still want to offer people like Tomkins big money it is only due to wealthy owners as they take are players. We could do same if we raised cap and the likes of IL put his hand in his pocket. Yeah we would lose money but its up to owners to clear the debt and if we ever lose a wealthy a owner the club goes t*ts up just like saracens would if there owner walked away. If we are going to die as you all say we might as well go down fighting and yes there will be a gap between the top and the bottom clubs but there already is now so nothing will change. Look at there losses in this in 2009-2010 and nothing will have changed for them www.nowrugby.com/mb/showthread.php?t=84333 | |
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| Quote: pies-r-us "Some on here say that they are fed-up with the doom merchants of RL and we should look at the woes of the RFU to get the real picture of the respective sports into a true perspective. I believe it’s not me and others like me who can’t see the real picture. If you lot think for one minute that RU will sink like a stone just because our beloved game is a much better product, and in time good will conquer evil, think again. All I can say you’ve probably lived in the North for too long. Aside from the product, all our game has is its fans and an inept management structure, and though I agree these also apply to RU what they have which we don’t is backing where it counts, from the big boys at the BBC, to the old school ties in the halls of power, of newspaper sport, and even government. Just watch the coverage on all TV channels and see the difference in coverage, the BBC love to promote the Northern cloth cap an whippet image, and if you think I’m wrong, then it’s not me who’s deluded.'"
I do not think RU will ever die but i also do not think RL is going to die or go semi pro in the next 5 years as some say. For as long as the 57 old farts are running RU/the country union will always get more coverage on tv and in papers. RU as always been the same and had big international scence but it does not mean we have to die. | | |
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| Quote: JC1984 "sale sharks 6800, London welsh 4500, London irish 7000, London wasp 6500, Exeter 7000, Worcester 8000, Saracens 6500 that is approx what will watch these clubs on a average game at there regular stadiums. Its nothing to shout about is really not much different to are lower clubs. Only club that gets regular big crowds is Leicester Tigers the rest are bumped up with these free ticket days at wembley and twickenham. Also london irish on st patricks day go from 6500 - 7000 to getting 20,000 for a day probably due to free tickets. The only team in london that get decent crowds is harlequins average 14,000. We talk about boom and bust most of these union clubs are losing a fortune but still want to offer people like Tomkins big money it is only due to wealthy owners as they take are players. We could do same if we raised cap and the likes of IL put his hand in his pocket. Yeah we would lose money but its up to owners to clear the debt and if we ever lose a wealthy a owner the club goes t*ts up just like saracens would if there owner walked away. If we are going to die as you all say we might as well go down fighting and yes there will be a gap between the top and the bottom clubs but there already is now so nothing will change. Look at there losses in this in 2009-2010 and nothing will have changed for them
The massive new TV rights deal RU has secured has obviously passed you buy. It's £38m a season for four seasons and the Premiership clubs are planning to increase their salary caps on receipt of their share of this money. How big their crowds are or how rich their owners are is just not an issue when that sort of cash comes flowing in. And that is before they secure any other sponsorship which you can bet won't be given away for free to Stobarts and before they get any central funds off the RFU.
They are not even attempting to fund their outgoings of gate receipts. If you think RU is in a bad state financially you are barking up the wring tree. We are the sport trying to run clubs on a £700K handout from Sky and then balancing the books by the clubs generating their own revenue. Just how much money do you think a team as big as Wigan can squeeze out of the fans never mind the likes of Wakey?
All this "I prefer the club to be self supporting financially" is a load of rubbish in this day and age for pro sport. In the past the odd sugar daddy like Dave Whelan could bank roll a club but now its well past that already in RU. Like soccer but on a smaller scale it is generating such a big income from outside revenue it's taking players wages to a new level.
Pro sport has become a very costly exercise where the costs way outweigh what monies clubs can generate in a traditional way. RU played BT Vision off against Sky to get a great TV deal in these so called times of Austerity. How far away is that from giving the sponsorship away for nothing?
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The RU has signed the new deal for £38 million per season with BT? but how much were they getting from SKY and how much will that drop by in the new deal or will Sky not televise any of the RU games.
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| Quote: DaveO "The massive new TV rights deal RU has secured has obviously passed you buy. It's £38m a season for four seasons and the Premiership clubs are planning to increase their salary caps on receipt of their share of this money. How big their crowds are or how rich their owners are is just not an issue when that sort of cash comes flowing in. And that is before they secure any other sponsorship which you can bet won't be given away for free to Stobarts and before they get any central funds off the RFU.
They are not even attempting to fund their outgoings of gate receipts. If you think RU is in a bad state financially you are barking up the wring tree. We are the sport trying to run clubs on a £700K handout from Sky and then balancing the books by the clubs generating their own revenue. Just how much money do you think a team as big as Wigan can squeeze out of the fans never mind the likes of Wakey?
All this "I prefer the club to be self supporting financially" is a load of rubbish in this day and age for pro sport. In the past the odd sugar daddy like Dave Whelan could bank roll a club but now its well past that already in RU. Like soccer but on a smaller scale it is generating such a big income from outside revenue it's taking players wages to a new level.
Pro sport has become a very costly exercise where the costs way outweigh what monies clubs can generate in a traditional way. RU played BT Vision off against Sky to get a great TV deal in these so called times of Austerity. How far away is that from giving the sponsorship away for nothing?'"
The RU Clubs should use that extra tv money to balance there books out. Saracens losing £6mil a year even with the extra tv money they will still lose money and any extra money they get they want try using it to stop there mass exdous to the french RU instead of wasting it on RL players. If Rugby Union clubs are so safe why did Wasp going into admin ? How can crowds and rich owners not be an issue for RU clubs with this "money flowing in" the money flowing in is obviously not as much as the money flowing out otherwise all aviva premership clubs would post profits but only 2 clubs do | | |
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| Quote: JC1984 "I do not think RU will ever die but i also do not think RL is going to die or go semi pro in the next 5 years as some say. '"
I think they once said that about jousting ! | | | |
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351 |
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442 |
138 |
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556 |
561 |
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411 |
207 |
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475 |
427 |
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530 |
488 |
42 |
28 |
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468 |
658 |
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894 |
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420 |
303 |
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695 |
501 |
194 |
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561 |
502 |
59 |
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525 |
109 |
28 |
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626 |
526 |
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498 |
619 |
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509 |
650 |
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422 |
591 |
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676 |
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442 |
720 |
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