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Quote: caswigan "As I understand Maurice Watkin is overseeing a complete review of Rugby league after 10 years of Richard Lewis’s tenure.
The Watkin report is completed and is not as full a review as you suggest. The introduction says "It is important to stress at the outset that this is a review of the sport’s governance structure. It is not a review of strategy and policy or executive performance." That means that it doesn't cover most of the areas raised below. However it acknowledges that they need thinking about by stating, "Whilst this document is first and foremost a Governance Review, it has also been quite clear from the consultation process that a further discussion about the direction, vision and strategy for the sport for the next five to 10 years should quickly follow, focusing particularly on the size and structure of the leagues, licensing and promotion/relegation, the sustainability of clubs and our approach to expansion.

In my opinion the following areas need addressing immediately otherwise our great game will go into further decline.

1.Super league Format (Structure) to be changed from 14 clubs to 12 to increase competition and quality of games.
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1a. To compensate for loss of four fixtures introduce a mid season competition including championship clubs e.g. Regal Trophy or Lancs Cup as previously. Super league clubs to be handicapped e.g. with players under 25 only qualifying to play.
The season needs to be reduced to improve quality and intensity and reduce burnout. N.B. The Aussie season is 7 months in total, it starts after ours and ends before.


2. Reintroduce promotion and relegation, 1up and 1 down or even a play off between bottom and top clubs for the right of a Super league place.
Not feasible whilst we have such financial disparity between leagues.


3. Salary Cap to be increased to a more realistic level (at least £2 million) so that we can compete with RU and NRL.
Agreed if we can rely on clubs to efficiently manage their finances and bring in new money ! But the underperforming clubs would do better to spend any additional money on developing their player academies.

4. Super League leaders to be crowned League Champions with a suitable trophy and prize money similar to CC final winners, The most consistent team over the season must be rewarded and recognised as such.
It's a pity but to promote the Grand Final winners as supreme champions it's necessary to diminish the achievement of winning the league. Those with long memories might agree that after the divisional structure was created in 1973, the Premiership was mostly an end of season marginal competition. There's still scope however to give greater reward by making it easier for the league leaders to qualify for the Grand Final.


5. Challenge Cup final to be moved back to May to replace the contrived Magic Weekend and create a bigger gap between major finals. Magic weekend has always been an unfair fixture arrangement with some clubs having easier games.
Once we moved to a summer season, there was no credibility to holding the Challenge Cup final in May. Teams were playing cup matches before league games. In 1997, Wigan's first match of the season was a loss to Saints in a Challenge Cup derby at Knowsley Road - what a load of fun that was !
For most of its history, rugby league has had a distorted league, i.e. not all teams playing one another. Intriguingly it's the only valid justification for a play-off system, like the NFL and NRL and our own Championship/Premiership play-off.


6. Grand final play off format back to top 5 only.
Would love it, in fact in my view, the only legitimate play off format but once the system has no P&R, the RFL will insist on keeping more teams interested to the season end.

7. Pricing of CC and Play off games to be discounted with rewards for loyalty e.g. season ticket holders.
Agreed but its clubs who need to agree not the RFL.

8. Refereeing inconsistencies to be addressed.
Nirvana but we can always hope.

9. A video referee to be made available at all Super league games, this would ensure all matches are treated equally, not just TV games.
It would cost but it's an easy way for the sport to improve consistency. When Sky first broadcast Championship 1, no fee was paid to the RFL but they estimated the cost was £250,000 over the season, i.e. for one additional game per week.

10. Video refereeing decisions to be consistent with clarification of his role with a clear definition of when and what he can intervene for. A transcript or voice recording of all communications between the Video Ref and Referee to be made available after every game.
Agreed, in fact the video referee should play no part in any decision except for whether or not a try has been scored, i.e. none of this whispers in the earpiece stuff.


11. The disciplinary - Judiciary panel to be more transparent and consistent with punishments e.g. Rangi Chase elbow to jaw causing a serious injury not sent off, on report 3 match ban. Michael McIlorum late high tackle no injury caused, Red card given plus 3 match ban.
All panels have an element of discretion since they make a subjective decision based on the evidence presented. The RFL deserves recognition for the way in which it openly and speedily publishes decisions of the judiciary panel but it could go further by filming the process and making that info publically available.

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For the record, however, I feel that surporters of the top teams who want the play-offs reduced from 8 aren't being mindfull of the teams below them.'"


Oh we are mindful of the lower teams, we don't think they should be in SL... Too much dead wood...

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Quote: Wigan Peer "Oh we are mindful of the lower teams, we don't think they should be in SL... Too much dead wood...'"


Exactly. Instead of the e sides being made to improve the better sides are being held back tso they don't get upset. We have 4 or 5 sides that can provide mouth watering games whilst the rest roll over and have their bellies tickled.

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Quote: caswigan "As I understand Maurice Watkin is overseeing a complete review of Rugby league after 10 years of Richard Lewis’s tenure.
In my opinion the following areas need addressing immediately otherwise our great game will go into further decline.

1.Super league Format (Structure) to be changed from 14 clubs to 12 to increase competition and quality of games.'"
Would be a temporary solution to a permanent problem. Decreasing the number of clubs, doesnt address why we arent producing enough players.
Why not just take the development of youngsters away from the clubs, do it centrally, benefit from economies of scale. Its probably not viable for Wigan or Leeds to pay £60k for Andrew Johns to come over and work with 4 halfbacks for 6 months, probably would be for a central body to pay him to come over and work with the 25-30 best 16/17/18 and 19 year old halfbacks.
Quote: caswigan "1a. To compensate for loss of four fixtures introduce a mid season competition including championship clubs e.g. Regal Trophy or Lancs Cup as previously. Super league clubs to be handicapped e.g. with players under 25 only qualifying to play.'"
Look at the early rounds of the challenge cup, even the semi-finals, attendances arent good, they would be even worse for a secondary competition with large amounts of the big name players left out. It would likely be a loss making competition.

Quote: caswigan "2. Reintroduce promotion and relegation, 1up and 1 down or even a play off between bottom and top clubs for the right of a Super league place.'"
How are these lower clubs, the ones you dont think are doing enough, supposed to 'catch up' when they are constantly looking over their shoulder? You want to increase the SC but remove the ability for clubs to plan 1/2/3 years in the future, you want them to develop youngsters but want them to run the risk of dropping out of professional competition by doing so.
Clubs should be given a franchise in perpetuity. If a club is failing to meet its obligations, they should be put on probation with set targets to meet by set dates, if they arent met, their franchise is seized by the RFL to do with as is best, sometimes that club will be relegated, sometimes there would be a better owner on the horizon.
Quote: caswigan "3. Salary Cap to be increased to a more realistic level (at least £2 million) so that we can compete with RU and NRL.'"
The salary cap is a nonsense. Whatever level we set it at it still has the same problems.

Quote: caswigan "4. Super League leaders to be crowned League Champions with a suitable trophy and prize money similar to CC final winners, The most consistent team over the season must be rewarded and recognised as such.'"
It doesnt. It really doesnt. You may want it, but it isnt needed. What we do need is a league full of teams which could all win the competition, where teams cant relax because there are teams who will overtake them, where leeds, Wigan, Sts etc arent virtually guaranteed a play-off place. Leeds winning from 5th is something to be celebrated, it showed the depth we as a league are developing. I know it fits the Wigan narrative that Leeds took it easy, but in reality Wigan, Sts, Wire and Les Catalans were all good value for their league positions, all would have been worthy winners of Super League, we actually had 5 teams who, on their day, could all beat each other, and would have all been worthy champions, Leeds were, that is a good thing. Now we need 8 teams who could do it, then 10, then 12, then 14, then we have a league where everyone is looking to win it, where every game could go either way, where finishing first gets you a home route to the final and that is a great advantage because all teams are so close, home advantage could be crucial.

Quote: caswigan "5. Challenge Cup final to be moved back to May to replace the contrived Magic Weekend and create a bigger gap between major finals. Magic weekend has always been an unfair fixture arrangement with some clubs having easier games.'"
The league doesnt decide the champions, its not that important that it isnt even, the Magic Weekend is a good event, highly visible and makes money. It is exactly the type of thing we should build on rather than get rid of. As the league already isnt even, it also means we arent restricted by a straight home/away fixture list, and if there are other opportunities to make money by extra games we can do it.

Quote: caswigan "6. Grand final play off format back to top 5 only.'"
The season would be over far too early for far too many sides.

Quote: caswigan "7. Pricing of CC and Play off games to be discounted with rewards for loyalty e.g. season ticket holders.
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If say, wigan, get 8k to a play off match, and all pay, and we suppose that they pay on averaged £12.50 a ticket, thats £100k in ticket sales, If they offered tickets for a fiver, and got 16k, that would only bring in £75k. I appreciate there is added complications of what people buy when they are there etc, but its a valid consideration. We need to do what is most profitable, long and short term, the game is pretty accessible, it isnt relatively expensive. Cheap ticket offers are a tool, but they arent the only one available to us as a game.
Quote: caswigan "8. Refereeing inconsistencies to be addressed.'"
The game will never, and cant ever, get rid of refereeing inconsistencies. You have to remember when fans claim 'refereeing inconsistancies' they are almost always complaining about a decision that went against them, and go out looking for evidence for only one side of the argument and their criteria for what can be considered an 'inconsistancy' becomes wider and wider until they have convinced themselves their argument is correct. I think for the most part the refereeing in SL is ok, its not quite good enough, but I dont think it is just general inconsistency but more we have rulings and interpretations handed down from Mr Cummins which just ask for fans to complain. The PTB is a mess, the current interpretations of it will always leave it mess, that needs dealing with, thats not the refs fault, its the person telling them how to ref it's fault.

Quote: caswigan "9. A video referee to be made available at all Super league games, this would ensure all matches are treated equally, not just TV games.'"
Can certainly agree here.

Quote: caswigan "10. Video refereeing decisions to be consistent with clarification of his role with a clear definition of when and what he can intervene for. A transcript or voice recording of all communications between the Video Ref and Referee to be made available after every game.'"
What will this achieve? That at some point we may find a VR giving advice to the ref he shouldnt have? And then what? We end up complaining that a ref got to the right decision the wrong way? The VR is a trained and approved referee, he should offer advice as and when he sees fit.

Quote: caswigan "11. The disciplinary - Judiciary panel to be more transparent and consistent with punishments e.g. Rangi Chase elbow to jaw causing a serious injury not sent off, on report 3 match ban. Michael McIlorum late high tackle no injury caused, Red card given plus 3 match ban.
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I wont defend Chase, but again is this 'inconsistency' or is it just two different incidents being looked at in two different ways. As for the 'on report' we have a fully trained and approved referee in the stands, one who has full access to numerous camera angles and slo-mo instant replay at his fingertips. Why isnt it just dealt with immediately?

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Quote: Wigan Peer "Oh we are mindful of the lower teams, we don't think they should be in SL... Too much dead wood...'"


I agree and there’s another fallacy that the salary cap must be kept down so as not to make the void between the so called big clubs and the minnows even greater, rubbish some can’t make the full cap now so all its doing is holding the game back. These smaller clubs will never in a million years catch up to the top clubs, and holding the bigger clubs down will not, and has not changed the picture. No one wants clubs to over extend their finances, but if they’ve got it let them spend it. Like I’ve said I don’t think the league statuses will change for a long time but it might shake some out of their apathy and get a move on, or let them bug off and let the ones who can in.

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What price was Maurice Lidsays concept of SL at inception that is the Cumbrian clubs getting together as was the Wakefield,Castleford ,Featherstone merger along with Salford ,Leigh ,Oldham ,Rochdale forming a Manchester club Would we now be in a more competitive SL?????? .
I honestly cant see there being a SL in this present format for much longer apart from 5 clubs the rest is struggling financially SKY money is keeping the SL alive without it SL would have been dead and buried on the other with matches being televised in the present economic climate fans are staying away and watching the matches on tv.Should we go back to semi-proffesional teams ?

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