What makes them any different from the wakey and crusaders who both went bust yet given a 2nd chance, why shouldnt the bulls be afforded the same and who gives a damn who puts the cash up whether its an MP or a curry pedaler it dont make them any different from glover at wakey or Leneghan at Wigan they are putting there hard earned up and driving the clubs forward.

What do Fax or any other champioship club offer to superleague ? i have trawled through the archives and yet to find a club from that division with crowds higher than the bulls.

The bulls also have a worthwhile brand and good merchandising opportunities off the back of that brand.

Somethings are worth saving.

You got a a problem with the franchise system and the way it works take that up with the RFL as it they who set the criteria not the Bulls.

The Bulls and there new owners have a clean slate to work from debt free, thats business you dont like it write to the times or the RFL, we need to look after our own, god help me if we were on the front line with you

and London went bust too

Bit unfair expecting NL clubs to get better crowds as they have a poorer product, less talent and less away followings visiting their grounds.

The circumstances are completely different. For example the Crusaders new owners took on some of the debt owed by the old club which is why only got a four point deduction not six. There was none of this sign your ground over to the RFL and walk away from massive debts only to carry on playing on the same ground shenanigans.

When London went bust Mo Lindsay was against what happened there and I agreed with him.

I am not sure but I don't think either Wakefield or the Crusaders were actually wound up. The OK Bulls is a new company/club and the Bull's as was will be being wound up is how I understand it. If the OK Bulls are a new entity they have no more right to a SL place in 2013 than anyone else who is currently outside it.



It's a clubs AWAY following that determines a clubs worth to SL based on its crowd sizes and Bradford do not have a large travelling support. They would not be missed on that account.

What other teams offer SL would be determined by the outcome of their franchise bid. What do the OK bulls offer SL? A promise of £6m (a tiny amount of money in reality) invested in the ground that they have not yet secured seems to be the cornerstone of their business plan.



A brand which failed to secure them as large home crowds as they once had at the start of "Bullmania" and when they were a successful side without two years of loss leading season ticket prices.



You are right the RFL set the criteria. How the Bulls convinced the RFL they met it is the problem because they clearly can't have done.

They were given a grade B license which means they somehow convinced the RFL that they would meet the requirements to become a grade A club when judged against the criteria by the time the next round of licensing comes along.

That means they satisfied the RFL they would be meeting the criteria in these five areas if they were not already doing so in some of them:

a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.

They were given the franchise's on 26th July 2011 and were in administration exactly one year later with debts of £1,500,000. They sold the ground to the RFL at then end of January 2012 a mere seven months after they got their SL license. How they got a grade B license I have no idea.

Your having sport with us right?

The fact remains they all went BUST, however you pick the bones out of each individual case they had no money left in the coffers to pay bills.

In the crusaders case that was a complete and utter shambles, but nevertheless they remained in SL

The Bulls and the RFL took suitable action to secure a very big asset to the club whilst other issues where addressed.

They have been deducted the points accordingly and will potentailly remain in SL and quite rightly so, as other have been afforded that privelage and it would be morally wrong to not let the bulls remain in SL when 2 other clubs where allowed to remain.

The Bulls consortium will have contributed to the debts of the OLDCO and would not have got anything without it although guilfoyle will have creamed most of that, but again thats business.

The Bulls under the newco IMO are a far better option for SL than anything else out there at this stage and are a far better attraction for TV,commercial and game wise than any other club out there.




Maybe small but using that arguement why would you keep catalan in the SL, The Bulls offer far more to clubs inby being aan attractive tie to TV,HOSPITALITY ETC .



Unless there is a sugar daddy out there with cash and a real drive to push the club and its staff then no one out there at the moment could IMO come up with a franchise bid worth accepting and make serious improvements to SL.



See above comment re the Bulls being a far better and far more attractive game than an away trip to Halifax etc.

The comment about the ground etc seems a bit glib to be honest and i would think that the people who are taking over the club would have a far wide ranging plan in place to ensure the club got back to where they feel it should be, the ground would be used for securing of more investment which if managed correctly is no bad thing.



Not the fault of the new consortium of course.

Again you look back at the previous boards and it was a mish mash of bad managment and false promises that have lead to the demise of the club, however the same applies to wakey crusaders etc who were afforded the right to stay within SL and the Bulls should be given that as well.