i'm of the opposite opinion. with and without the ball on saturday i think we looked very jaded even before they pulled away to 18-6 ahead.

of course, we had a lot of tackling to do through our own doing at times and defence tires you out blah blah i know, but i was thinking even after ten minutes or so "jeez we look knackered already"!

the CC Final break will help, but lets not forget there are still teams like Catalans & Saints etc who will also benefit from the break.

we just need some magic in a big game, which i beleive all 3 of our remaining games are in the regular rounds to put some fizz back into the players. if we can pick up a bit of morale going into the playoffs anythign can happen but i must admit i am worried about the mantal and physical pressure that the players are put under and without a key player such as tommy of late the team has struggled.

all we can do, like every teams' fans, is hope for the best and if it ends up in failure it is after all only a game.

I didn't miss the point, I know exactly what you were trying to say and that is why I gave you that 'old phrase' because you can make all the excuses in the world, but the bottom line is you were the best team by a country mile last year and didn't win the GF, that is bottling it, irrelevant of how you lost against Leeds, because YOU LOST AND SHOULD HAVE WON EASILY!!

Wire bottlers isn't a fact though is it? like i've said before, Wire have only played one playoff game in which they have gone in as favourite, that was last year v Leeds.

Hardly bottling it seeing as they won the whole thing.

In fact up to now, Wire have done quite well in the big games, it may change on the 25th but so far when its mattered they've usually done well.

120 years or so would suggest something different.

Quite a hard statistic to argue with