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Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball.'"
Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level')
I like the sound of this, though: m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226
Seems like they plan to do live vector calculations to determine if the ball is propelled forward or backward. |
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Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball.'"
Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level')
I like the sound of this, though: m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226
Seems like they plan to do live vector calculations to determine if the ball is propelled forward or backward. | |
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Bingo. It always baffles me how few people understand the rules of our game.'"
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If the whole point is the ball can go forward but not leave the hands forward why can't the video ref be called on to judge how the ball has left the hands?
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| Quote Barrett was robbed="Barrett was robbed"If the whole point is the ball can go forward but not leave the hands forward why can't the video ref be called on to judge how the ball has left the hands?'"
Fair question - unfortunately the RFL simply refuse to liaise with fans on issues like this, not even to provide clarity on why things are as they are. You could always write to them and ask but I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply! |
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Try the all MP's rugby league group?
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I know the video refs aren't great, especially one in particulary but which is preferable?
Do we rely on the ref and linesmen in open play who have proved pathetic or do we go to the video ref who can look carefully at the pass?
No contest.
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"same bloke didn't see hock elbowing the 'best second rower in the league' in the face either.
useless he was'"
They did see the Goulding tackle on Riley that was high , then it wasn't, then it was, then it wasn't. Funny how the linesman come running on the pitch waving their flags in wigan games, its also funny how they ask the video ref to check everything that wigan do.
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After reading some posts on here when is a pass forward and when is it not? I always thought, if the player passing the ball was on the attacking 10 metre line and the player recieving it recieves it on 9.99m away from the attacking goal line it is forward. If it goes 10.01m from the attacking goal line then it is a good pass. Or am I wrong?
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| Quote fatbaztod100="fatbaztod100"Or am I wrong?'"
Ish. If the player's stood still when he throws the ball you're spot on. If he's running forward then you're wrong. Ish. |
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| Quote fatbaztod100="fatbaztod100"After reading some posts on here when is a pass forward and when is it not? I always thought, if the player passing the ball was on the attacking 10 metre line and the player recieving it recieves it on 9.99m away from the attacking goal line it is forward. If it goes 10.01m from the attacking goal line then it is a good pass. Or am I wrong?'"
Yep, you're wrong. It was explained pretty well earlier in the thread - it has to go backwards relative to the passer, not the ground. If you're running forwards and gently toss the ball behind you, the ball will still travel forwards relative to the ground. |
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You learn something new every day then! So in reality as long as the recieving player catches the ball behind the line player that has passed is then it is a good pass then, no wonder there is all this confusion about forward passes.
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