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The first thing to note on the under 16's is that this season the North west counties 16-18's changed to a summer season therefore the lads in question still have commitments at their amatuer clubs until October. Last seaosn the lads had finsihed their commitments as they came off the back of a winter based season. I think there would be uproar if this seasons under 16's didnt go back to complete the fixtures (although the season has been a disaster)

They dont have this problem in Yorkshire as they still play Winter.

Changes in the scholarship and acadamy are good for the game for development of the youth but the re structure of the middle section with kill superleague as we know it, there will be no room for half baked aussies as contracts will be of a premium, dare i say though this is being driven not by the RFL but by the men who pull the purse strings who 9 times out of 10 know naff all about rugby league

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Quote: Father Ted "Not sure who is "investing" in youth and who is not.
Apart from money, what also seems to be a problem is that some clubs are plundering scholorship products of others less wealthy.
This is giving the impression that there isn't sufficient talent being produced and spread across the league but concentrated in the few but wealthy clubs.
It's time clubs who produce real talent from their scholarship teams are more able to keep them.
There used to a regulation that a club could only sign one youth player a year from outside their service area. Don't know what happened to that rule but it doesn't seem to apply anymore.
We need to go back to that or perhaps that a club is only allowed one player every two years from outside their service area. That would oblige clubs to develop their own schools, service area, amateur clubs and the youth system in their own area than spending big plundering talent developed by other clubs.'"


It's clear from looking at the "academy origin" of current SL players (excluding overseas ones) that just half a dozen clubs provide the vast majority of players.

Wigan (40)
Leeds (2icon_cool.gif
Bradford (26)
Castleford (24)
Saints (23)
Hull FC (21)

It's high time the others produced their own talent instead of relying on other clubs' cast-offs.

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Those figures are interesting.
Where did you get them from?
Link please if poss.

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Quote: Father Ted "Those figures are interesting.
Where did you get them from?
Link please if poss.'"


From my own research, basically, which I did some time ago for a different reason (and recently updated). Not sure I still have the complete list available from all clubs, but for anyone interested, the Wigan list is:

Current squad (20):
S. Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Thornley
Prescott
McIlorum
Mossop
Hock
O'Loughlin
Hansen
Hughes
Tuson
Farrell
Marsh
Mellor
Russell
L. Tomkins
King
Spencer
Crosby

Other clubs (20):
O'Carroll
Davies
Brown
Robinson
S. Briscoe
Melling
Ainscough
Veivers
S. Gleeson
Colbon
T. Coyle
Hargreaves
Johnson
Clarke
Allen
Kavanagh
Jones
Aspinwall
Wild
Howarth

(that might go up by 1 if Longy does come out of retirement!)

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Quote: Geoff "It's clear from looking at the "academy origin" of current SL players (excluding overseas ones) that just half a dozen clubs provide the vast majority of players.

Wigan (40)
Leeds (2icon_cool.gif
Bradford (26)
Castleford (24)
Saints (23)
Hull FC (21)

It's high time the others produced their own talent instead of relying on other clubs' cast-offs.'"


The above numbers are obvioulsy inflated by including fringe squad players who in truth will never be Super League quality. Possibly better to look at teams from this round of fixtures in which case (from a quick scan of teams):

Wigan 25
Leeds 21
Saints 16
Warrington 14
Castleford 13
National League 12
Bradford 11
Wakefield 11
Hull 10
Hull KR 9
London 6
Salford 6
Widnes 5
Huddersfield 4

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Quote: Paul Youane "The above numbers are obvioulsy inflated by including fringe squad players who in truth will never be Super League quality. Possibly better to look at teams from this round of fixtures in which case (from a quick scan of teams)

I disagree; it's a squad game these days, and also your criterion doesn't allow for those out injured or suspended. I've used those who have played at least one SL game, which by definition implies they're of SL quality. I haven't included those that are in a team's 25-man squad but haven't (yet) played in SL. The fact still applies, though, that by either set of criteria, a lot of clubs are not producing enough new talent, and are relying on those that produce a surplus.

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