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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"Yep, we would have a 100% record, and nilled every other team... Wane must be an idiot...
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He'd be in good company on these boards then! 
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| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"I think Holdsworth, Smith's half-back partner at Salford, is the better player out of the two.'"
very much agree with this comment and i think although it seems to be happening don't think he could ever live up to the hype or the famous Wigan number 7 shirt 
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| I don't understand all this stubbornness from people regarding the possibility of Sam moving back to 6, if Finch leaves along with Tommy. When you are signing one new half that we think is Smith and we still lack depth / experience in that area it makes sense that our best player moves to a playmaking role in the halves, particularly when we have a potential replacement FB (Russell) ready to play. In my view it's whats best for the team in the long term. Sam will be wasted at FB if we have no direction in the halves. A combination of Smith and Mellor or Smith and Powell is far too much change in the pivotal roles.
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| Quote giwildgo="giwildgo"I don't understand all this stubbornness from people regarding the possibility of Sam moving back to 6, if Finch leaves along with Tommy. When you are signing one new half that we think is Smith and we still lack depth / experience in that area it makes sense that our best player moves to a playmaking role in the halves, particularly when we have a potential replacement FB (Russell) ready to play. In my view it's whats best for the team in the long term. Sam will be wasted at FB if we have no direction in the halves. A combination of Smith and Mellor or Smith and Powell is far too much change in the pivotal roles.'"
This is my thinking, Sam is allowed to show his brilliance because he's working of the forwards hard work and linking up with Finch and Tommy without the this halves combination his talents wouldn't be completely realised. I believe Sam is both a runner and a ball player he can utilise both of these assets of his game playing 6 or 7 in a similar way to Benji Marshall and Shaun Johnson, he'd have a lot more influence on a game in this position I feel. Concerning Russell I've heard of too many good things from respected people to assume he won't be our future fullback.
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| Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"This is my thinking, Sam is allowed to show his brilliance because he's working of the forwards hard work and linking up with Finch and Tommy without the this halves combination his talents wouldn't be completely realised. I believe Sam is both a runner and a ball player he can utilise both of these assets of his game playing 6 or 7 in a similar way to Benji Marshall and Shaun Johnson, he'd have a lot more influence on a game in this position I feel. Concerning Russell I've heard of too many good things from respected people to assume he won't be our future fullback.'"
Spot on.
Its a bit disrespectful to Sam to think he wouldn't also be a world class HB. He's got every trick in the book needed to be a class 6.
I'd certainly prefer a world class 6 to a world class 1. If that makes me stupid then so be it.
We've got other options at FB in Russell but very few options to replace Finch.
Its not rocket science
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| Sam is one of the most dangerous full-backs in the world.
He's not just pretty good at No 1. He's totally astonishing. He's mastered that positon a la Billy Slater - (not as good as Slater yet, but certainly getting there) which almost nobody else in my memory of British players has ever managed to do.
And people want to move him?
I understand that sometimes needs must, but surely a better option would be to find another good halfback?
And please don't tell me, folks, that one of the motivations for moving Sam would genuinely be so that Matty Russell would have somewhere to play? For me, Russell may need to earn his first-team corn in another position.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Sam is one of the most dangerous full-backs in the world.
He's not just pretty good at No 1. He's totally astonishing. He's mastered that positon a la Billy Slater - (not as good as Slater yet, but certainly getting there) which almost nobody else in my memory of British players has ever managed to do.
And people want to move him?
I understand that sometimes needs must, but surely a better option would be to find another good halfback?
And please don't tell me, folks, that one of the motivations for moving Sam would genuinely be so that Matty Russell would have somewhere to play? For me, Russell may need to earn his first-team corn in another position.'"
Thats my thoughts too. I was actually one of those that wanted Sam to stay at Stand Off originally but I am now firmly converted to the Sam at full back camp. Russell I am still far from convinced about and he would have to improve his all round game a great deal before I would even think about moving Sam.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Sam is one of the most dangerous full-backs in the world.
He's not just pretty good at No 1. He's totally astonishing. He's mastered that positon a la Billy Slater - (not as good as Slater yet, but certainly getting there) which almost nobody else in my memory of British players has ever managed to do.
And people want to move him?
I understand that sometimes needs must, but surely a better option would be to find another good halfback?
And please don't tell me, folks, that one of the motivations for moving Sam would genuinely be so that Matty Russell would have somewhere to play? For me, Russell may need to earn his first-team corn in another position.'"
I see no reason to suggest why he couldn't end up being one of the world's best HB's as well.
Who was the last great English 6?
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"I see no reason to suggest why he couldn't end up being one of the world's best HB's as well.
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And what if he doesn't? How much time will we have wasted finding out?
It's only my opinion of course, but I don't see that "maybe he'll be a great stand-off" is an adequate reason stop him being a genuinely great full-back.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"And what if he doesn't? How much time will we have wasted finding out?
It's only my opinion of course, but I don't see that "maybe he'll be a great stand-off" is an adequate reason stop him being a genuinely great full-back.'"
World class FB are a lot more common than HBs.
You get even a sniff of an opp to create one then you go for it.
Radders, Hampo and Lydon have all been produced by Wigan. Sam is better than these but they are still great players.
The last great HB was Edwards.
That for me shows how rare a quality HB is.
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"World class FB are a lot more common than HBs.
You get even a sniff of an opp to create one then you go for it.
Radders, Hampo and Lydon have all been produced by Wigan. Sam is better than these but they are still great players.
The last great HB was Edwards.
That for me shows how rare a quality HB is.'"
I think you are comparing apples and oranges there to be honest. I wouldnt say that Rads, Hampson or Lydon were great full backs if we are talking about them in a world class sense.
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