In SaintsFan's world, St. Helens don't lose, they win every game and are perfect

To be fair he did turn it in our favour. She didn't say he won it for us.

You were losing when he came on and whilst he was on proceeded to lose the Grand Final, yet again. He therefore did not turn it in your favour

OK OK, nobody can have a positive influence on a match if the match is lost, and nobody can turn a game in your favour if you then go on to lose it.

Nice and black and white for you.

From what I've seen of him he looks like a good player and in comparison to what I've seen from Russell at fb I know who I'd rather have at the back under a bomb...

You cant talk about a game in the past and say such a player turned it in your favour if you lost. That much is black and white. If she said he gave us a good chance to win but then we blew it because we are billy big time bottlers then fair enough

www.superleaguefans.com/st-helen ... aints.html Wellens named in the squad.

www.superleaguefans.com/st-helen ... aints.html Wellens named in the squad.

Anyone know when the appeal verdicts are generally announced, or does it vary week to week?

Not sure exactly but a lot of the decisions seem to come out around 5-6pm.

Going off past form Wellens will be fine. It's been a case of appeal and get off generally if you have a one game ban.

Has an excellent previous record, not sure how far back the online records go but this is Wellens first ever case to answer.

As Brent Webb got away with no matches for shoving a ref, I can't see why Wellens will get a ban for a lesser penalty with just as good a prior record as webb.

It's a conspiracy i tell you!