right, 2 things that have compelled to post for the first time in a long time.

firstly, what is all the mass hysteria? Wane was on a hiding to nothing yesterday whatever he did by the sounds of things. Maguire failed to rotate his squad last year and got a roasting on here (some suggest this was the reason we failed in play-offs), so if Wane played a full team, he would have been derided.

secondly, what seems to have been overlooked is tha fact Widnes won, not Wigan lost. I think our fans have shown a complete lack of respect if anyone has in suggesting that Widnes would have lost that game if Wigan had a couple more senior players involved? So i think that the posters on here suggetsing that Wigan showed disrespect are total hypocritres.

Gone are the days when a tema can go through the season unbeaten or even strive to come top of the league. Granted, all points are important and we should try to attain the highest position possible, but come on, the reaction on here has been absurd.

I reckon we would have got more out of the game yesterday than - as some have suggested - walloping Widnes by 50+ points (not even certain considering Widnes performance yesterday) and letting the youngsters get even more disgruntled at not having a chance in the lower Academt level.

I sometime sthink the people disappointed with yesterday's failure to get 2 points are the ones who the only thing they look forward to in life is to gloat to a Wire or Saints supported that we are top of the league for a few days. Big deal. It has consistently been proved that as long as we play consistently well, be there or thereabouts and come into some devastating form September time, we will be ok.

end of..move on. Guaranteed Wane wont throw in that many kids next time.

No one is arguing against rotating players and resting them. He could have spread it over Widnes and Broncos and got 4 points whilst still resting players. Problem is he rested so many in one game it cost us the game and 2 points. Even Easter Monday we have Wakey home a great chance to rest 1 or 2 and give 2 young players a run out. Throwing 2 points away is just daft.

Leeds did not actively rotate players all season that's a point some do not real grasp. They were out with serious injuries They all came back fit by mid July. Something Bradford did a few years ago as well.

I agree fully about Wane seeming to focus too much on Maguires reign and he seems to want to make a firm point about doing things differently. He has obviously kept a lot of the same structures in place and in attack I think he's improved us but he should just let the results do the talking.

Talk like " Michael did a great job but I think we can do better" is all well and good but you are setting yourself up for a fall when you make mistakes like yesterday. The good thing for Wane though is minus his brain fart things have looked pretty rosy and we look well capable of challenging for all trophies again. We infact look a lot more capable then I thought we would.

Just please no more meltdowns of yesterday's proportions!

That bit .

5th is acceptable but I'd prefer 1st .


Well done to your young lads by the way. By most accounts they put in a good effort against a team of far more experienced players . Losing a game to the new boys ain't the end of the world , but I am thankful that is was you and not us that were the first victims .

Wane's a new coach. He probably went a bit too far with the kids. But not much - you lost by 1 point and should have won anyway. He knows as well as anyone that having just one of the rested players on the bench would have made a difference if needed.

I don't expect a coach to necessarily come out and say "I was wrong" either - you might want them to think it to themselves, but around the players I'm not sure its a good idea.

I'd also add that I think a few clubs are looking more seriously at rotation this year - probably as a direct result of Leeds peaking at the end of the season and the fact that Wigan seemed to run out of steam a bit. Wane overdid it, and a loss is always a loss, but hopefully he'll learn from it.

it must be true then