My opinion is that the players we lost where all top players and none of them have been replaced.

Starting with: Ryan Hoffman - awesome year last year worked hard in attack and defence all year. Hock now at 2nd row, not the same player he used to be, dropped a lot of ball on Sunday, did make a good break in the game but I do not think he has replaced Ryan Hoffman.

Joel Tomkins - another awesome guy we have lost and not replaced especially in attack made loads of metres and was strong in defence but probably a better 2nd row - Goudling well after him dropping ball about 10 times which should of gone into Charnleys hands and try time, apart from that Goulding and Charnleys defence wasn't bad but again I do not think Goudling has filled Tomkins boots.

Paul Deacon - another world class player not been replaced he got the boys round the park since hes been here he is probably one of the biggest losses should come out of retirement for another year lol... - Leulaui yes he is awesome player but I do not think him and finch play well together at 6 and 7 and I believe Leuluai is a WORLD CLASS HOOKER not half back. Maybe we need to try one of the young lads in place for Leuluai and see how they do, if we don't get them in now they might never get in. Sam Tomkins got his chance and look at him now!!!

Andy Coley - Maybe give a few good penalities away but the yards he made last season was unbelievable and his defence is another matter in the middle of the park - Ben Flower/Lauaki - I know its early but neither of them made a yard between them on Sunday.

Mike Mcguire - I do not need to say why but with his absence I believe we are going to go down hill. No disrespect to Shaun Wane but I believe Mcguire should have been replaced by another Aussie coach.

Our signings have not been good enough, the training has been different (from training in Scotland - freezing to training in Florida (More of a holiday if you ask me).

Kicking game well there hasn't really been one but ive never seen it so bad finch tried and was crap, leuluai tried and was crap, sam tried and was crap so we give it pat richards and he just put it 500 ft in the air but it went backwards so we lost yards. Speaking of Richards will somebody please take that caravan off his back...

Oh well i've said what I want to say but here is the team I would play:

1) Sam Tomkins
2) Josh Charnley
3) Ant Gelling - I'd give him a run out even though I believe we needed to sign a big name centre.
4) Geroge Carmont
5) Pat Richards
6) Sam Powell Or O'laughlin
7) Brett Finch
Lima
9) Leulaui
10) Mossop
11) Hansen
12) Farrell / Hock
13) O'Loughlin
subs: Lauaki, Mcllorum, Flower, Farrell / Hock

Tuson good defence but doesn't offer much as a forward in attack.

All this bull-crap investment with Wales and Rugby Union is benefiting them not wigan... Putting Wales on the map for rugby and letting rugby union take our players... No players have come our way and I do not want any of there players to come this way...

Signings we should of made is super league player

Hoffman out - could of got Jason Chan in why we could.
Joel out - rumours was him who played for England was coming over here jack reed
Paul Deacon out - Micahel Witt in
Andy Coley out - Andy Lynch would of been a brilliant signing

Instead we got Ben Flower and Gil Dudson!?!?!? I know we couldnt have signed all of the players due to salary cap but at least we could of signed one decent player we are suppose to be one of the biggest RL clubs in the world and we signing donkeys...

Yes early days... I agree hope all these players prove me wrong. Bring on the Rhinos this Sat!!!

Just because a player doesnt do well at one club doesnt make them garbage.

Your saying we should never sign any player who hasnt done well at every club he has been at? I think its you who need to get with the real world!

If the coaching staff see something in a player which another club isnt getting the best out of why shouldnt we go and sign him?

Wigan have had a record of improving players games over the past couple of years.

If we see a player that has the raw materials to be good enough for us but isn't producing at the moment then who are we to question the club if they want to sign him? The coaching staff have the belief that they can get the best out of players and it's encouraging to see them back themselves.

I agree but the thing is he doesn't had the 'raw materials'. For me, he is probably the worst Wigan signing since Pryce.

In relation to 'raw material' that's why I fully agree with the Gil Dudson signing, he looks like he could be a real brilliant prop.

Lauaki must have something afterall he's been selected for the New Zealand side in the past and he did start his career off well at Hull.

I'm the first to admit it's a strange signing but he's done ok (no more then that) so far and he deserves a chance. Outside of Pryce we've not got too much wrong in terms of signing for a while now.

Wigan have always done this never mind over the last couple of years. Payers like Sam Pananpa and Billy McInty were players who improved when they came here. However, crucially, they were already good players at their existing clubs. We made them better.

What I can [inever[/i recall Wigan having ever done is sign a poor player and turn him into a good player.



The reason we should not sign him is we don't have to take the risk.

Just what is the point in taking on a 27 year old player who should be at least playing well enough to spark the clubs interest when in fact the player is playing poorly? Lauaki should be at the peak of his career not a player we brought in as a work in progress. By this logic we should just sign all the dross and in a season or two we will have a championship side again. It just does not work like that and never has here at Wigan.

Any poor players who we have signed (such as some of the ones in 2006) were not retained. By now Oliver Wilkes and Jordan James should be the mainstay of our pack if it were different.