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| I've been told by a Saints steward that the 1st 10 rows of away supporters are going to get wet on a rainy day, also, drums are banned. 
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| Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"Quote Stinky Turner="TrentBarrett"Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"Quote Stinky Turner="TrentBarrett"It is worth noting as well an architect is required to sign off a building on completion to pass on their consent the building can be used in it's current condition, huge liability is put onto the architects.'"
Absolute rubbish.'"
Care to explain what practical completion is? I'll save you the trouble, Practical Completion Certificate transfers possession of the building to the
client, and the Making Good Defects Certificate trigger the release of the retention.
In standard contractual form, ‘When in the opinion of the Architect Practical Completion of the Works is achieved, he shall forthwith issue a Certificate to that effect and Practical Completion of the Works shall be deemed for the purposes of the Contract to have taken place on the day named in such Certificate’.
The stadium would require this certificate granted by the Architects involved for Saints to gain possession of the stadium.'"
Actually the contract for Langtree Park was a design and build contract and therefore responsibility for assessing completion would fall to the Employer's Agent as the Architect (if one was employed) would be employed by the Contractor eg Barr. HTH.'" You have proved my point the design and build procurement method shifts total responsibility to the main contractor Barr in this case for the construction and design of the stadium. I presume Barr use their own design team to produce and over see the design and therefore they are still required as acting architects to authorize the Practical Completion Certificate and hand possession of the stadium to Saints. If this incident happened prior to completion this certificate wouldn't have been granted. And I was correct with Building Control enforcing Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 which would see the stadium unfit for use until the roof issue is rectified. You can take back your "absolute rubbish" comment now.
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| Quote J L Hooker="J L Hooker"I've been told by a Saints steward that the 1st 10 rows of away supporters are going to get wet on a rainy day, also, drums are banned.
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And the back ten rows. Although that should be fixed if they ever get the cladding fitted.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Quote Rogues Gallery="J L Hooker"I've been told by a Saints steward that the 1st 10 rows of away supporters are going to get wet on a rainy day, also, drums are banned.
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And the back ten rows.'"
And the concourse...
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| Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"You have proved my point the design and build procurement method shifts total responsibility to the main contractor Barr in this case for the construction and design of the stadium. I presume Barr use their own design team to produce and over see the design and therefore they are still required as acting architects to authorize the Practical Completion Certificate and hand possession of the stadium to Saints. If this incident happened prior to completion this certificate wouldn't have been granted. '"
Again not true. Barr would not self-certify completion. As I said it would be done by the Employer's Agent who are engaged by the Employer.
Without seeing the specific terms of their contract we do not know what Barr's design responsibility is. JCT standard form only requires the contractor to "complete" the design so if the roof was already designed it may not be their responsibility.
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| Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"Quote Stinky Turner="TrentBarrett"You have proved my point the design and build procurement method shifts total responsibility to the main contractor Barr in this case for the construction and design of the stadium. I presume Barr use their own design team to produce and over see the design and therefore they are still required as acting architects to authorize the Practical Completion Certificate and hand possession of the stadium to Saints. If this incident happened prior to completion this certificate wouldn't have been granted. '"
Again not true. Barr would not self-certify completion. As I said it would be done by the Employer's Agent who are engaged by the Employer.
Without seeing the specific terms of their contract we do not know what Barr's design responsibility is. JCT standard form only requires the contractor to "complete" the design so if the roof was already designed it may not be their responsibility.'"
In a design a build contract the Main Contractor (Barr) takes full responsibility for design and construction of the project either using their own design team or using a design consultancy to aid their work,the client may have provided a design brief with initial outline plan's along with preliminary costs and possible life cycle costing but Barr will be responsible for developing the design and construction it. So yes Barr have 100% responsibility in relation to the client for design hence tender cost's being greater than traditional procurement methods due to greater risk as a result of increased responsibility on contractors.
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| Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"Quote TrentBarrett="Stinky Turner"Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"You have proved my point the design and build procurement method shifts total responsibility to the main contractor Barr in this case for the construction and design of the stadium. I presume Barr use their own design team to produce and over see the design and therefore they are still required as acting architects to authorize the Practical Completion Certificate and hand possession of the stadium to Saints. If this incident happened prior to completion this certificate wouldn't have been granted. '"
Again not true. Barr would not self-certify completion. As I said it would be done by the Employer's Agent who are engaged by the Employer.
Without seeing the specific terms of their contract we do not know what Barr's design responsibility is. JCT standard form only requires the contractor to "complete" the design so if the roof was already designed it may not be their responsibility.'"
In a design a build contract the Main Contractor (Barr) takes full responsibility for design and construction of the project either using their own design team or using a design consultancy to aid their work,the client may have provided a design brief with initial outline plan's along with preliminary costs and possible life cycle costing but Barr will be responsible for developing the design and construction it. So yes Barr have 100% responsibility in relation to the client for design hence tender cost's being greater than traditional procurement methods due to greater risk as a result of increased responsibility on contractors.'"
Not quite. As a D&B contract (specific instance to the roofing), design liability will ultimately be passed onto the sub-contract installer. Invariably this will be shared with the manufacturer, who will provide the specification for the gauge of the cladding material, as well as the required fastenings and fixing centres. In tandem with this will be the design responsibility for the purlins (gauge and centres), this will lie with the structural steelwork contractor.
All of the above will be calculated/specified against the design criteria as provided by the Architect and Structural Engineer (purlins only).
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| Quote Odem="Odem"Quote Odem="Rogues Gallery"Quote Odem="J L Hooker"I've been told by a Saints steward that the 1st 10 rows of away supporters are going to get wet on a rainy day, also, drums are banned.
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And the back ten rows.'"
And the concourse...'"
And the bar...
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