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Let's not forget that both Union and League started out as the same game. League is the game that has changed and evolved to suit the needs of players, supporters and professionalism. If it suited, then league would have 15 players, line outs and loads of kicking - but changes were made not to be different to Union but to improve the game. Meanwhile, for 100 years Union virtually remained the same. Rugby Union was definitely not a game to be considered either as a spectator sport or professional. During this time and especially in England, there was a prejudice against rugby league that kept working class people away from the toffs and that suited them fine.

Today Union is running around in circles trying to deal with the professional era and England is in the biggest mess, despite having by far the largest playing numbers and the richest Union. The biggest concern in Union is not to improve the game but to not look like or do anything that can be construed as League, and so long as that carries on they will have the only game where the main strategy involves wellying the ball off the pitch as often as they can.

I live in Bath from the moment and £38 will buy me a seat in a temporary scaffold stand without a cover at the Recreation Ground and 80 minutes of boredom, not to mention no atmosphere and a crowd more intent on yacking back Blackthorn Cider than taking any interest in the rugby. And Bath play an entertaining brand of rugby! Locally, rugby clubs in this city find it virtually impossible to raise teams at 14s 16s and 18s because the boarding schools have the monopoly (plenty of them round here) and whilst there are some exceptions in England, it is fair to say that Union is still a game for the rich and "privileged".

As for merging or hybrid versions? League is genetically too far from Union. There is no point going back into the dark ages to meet up with an unwilling and incompatible ancestor! I get the feeling that whilst they consider it fine to raid the rugby league larder for talent now and again, I don't think the Union lot are ready for the Brigantes calling in for coffee and cakes in Bath just yet!

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Quote: WIld Goose "I don't think the Union lot are ready for the Brigantes calling in for coffee and cakes in Bath just yet!'"


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How would the brigantes go down at Twickers during a Rah Rah international ?

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Quote: DaveO "The current scrums are not the same as a tap penalty because half of both teams are all collected around the scrum and that makes them worth retaining in their current form IMO.

If you sort the scrums out you slow the game down and get an increase in penalties and it slows it down in Union by rl]a lotrl]. Contested scrums as in RU take a long time to set in the first place to try and make them safe and there are lots of infringements and not just technical ones but ones where the ref blows up because of safety issues.

Scrums get collapsed and often they will get wheeled around. If one side is superior at scrummaging then you see much more of this along with things like one of the forwards pop up because he doesn't like the pasting he is getting in the scrum which also can result in a penalty and so on. The whole thing can take several minutes and just reduces the time the ball is in play considerably. The setting, re-setting and high penalty count is all a consequence of the power and fitness of the players today and trying to balance that with safety.

I think the only thing you could do in RL is feed the ball in down the middle and allow the hookers to strike for it but have the forwards not push and so just hold the scrum steady. I am not sure its worth the bother since we seem to have evolved our game to actually want the team with the feed to get possession.'"


That is what I was on about Dave..if we want the team feeding to get the ball to speed things up..then as I said before just award a tap penalty.

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There's one glaring fault with the idea of a hybrid game, Union can call the shots, they can adapt their game to make it more entertaining and say join us or take the high road.

Can you really see the RFL having any negotiating power if high level talks took place, we've already seen with Sam how Wigan and the governing body have to put a positive spin on something that seemed absolutely inconceivable only a few weeks back.

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