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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I was at the game, and agree in many ways with what dubairl said. It's probably the way he put it that was wrong.
6,7 and 9 are the game controllers, and sadly neither of our three did that last night. They didn't have particularly poor games and nobody can deny their effort. How many times have we tried a loose forward at stand off (Farrell, Sculthorpe, Sinfield). Our kicking game was abysmal.
Everytime Sam caught (or attempted to catch) the ball he had two Aussies contesting the ball or a line of Aussies waiting for for him to return it. When it was the other way round the Ausies had a free catch, under no pressure whatsoever.

Some of our decision making was terrible. Hall's pass in his own 20, Graham the same, JJB the same, all little things but plays that were unnecessary and invite pressure.
Ellis dropped the ball and then misses his next tackle (Aussie score)
Fourth try (I think) Carvell and another English forward get left on the floor at the ptb. The Aussies moved the ball to their right and immediately to where one of those should have been defending, they hadn't got up and left a huge hole in the defence.

100% for effort but we're not clever/crafty enough and that starts from 6, 7 and 9.'"


+1. Class players who play at 6,7 and 9 every week at the highest level. Until we start producing quality players in these key positons we'll always be behind them.

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I think the pack that is equal to the Aussies myth has been well and truly put to rest. Sinfield on an hiding to nothing played at SO behind a losing pack; he does not have the quickness of a genuine half to read the defence and react accordingly. Roby has no running game when the pack is losing ground and his passing is easily read and he lacks the kicking game to keep the defence guessing; he did not lack effort.

The whole team fell into a one out game, no one offered any of the runners options so the defence had an easy time of it. Tomkins efforts under the high ball were not of the standard expected of a top class FB. No one had the self belief to try something unexpected. Briers was playing with the weakest team in the competition but he had the guts to try something different, he actually had the Aussie defence confused for a while and its a ploy that Eng were unable to use through either fear of failure or coaches orders. We know that the players can play off the cuff RL but they are too scared to try and win the game and hope to grind out the win.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "We dont have the better forwards and we never (recently) have, it's just something the Sky muppets like to say. Yes players like Ellis, Burgess, Graham, O'Loughlin are world class but are definitely not better than people like Scott, Gallen and Thaiday. Morley and Peacock are passed it at that level, Wilkin is too lightweight, I thought JJB and when he was finally used Carvell had excellent tournaments though. I cant see a place for Heighington in the squad when Burgess and Lockers are fit.'"


You dont have to convince me who has the better pack i dont fall for the media drivel , the results say it all simple as that !
However this is the one area you would think we should be strong but time and time again we are found wanting

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Quote: sgtwilko "I live here pal. Sheens is under the most fire down here. The selection of the Aussies is a massive subject down here. How Hannett, Mateo and others didn't make the team is a mystery down here.'"


Maybe he is but that doesnt make us good. It also doesnt matter how many Aussies say that we are good/decent/not bad either, i dont believe them.

They could select who they want but until we strive to improve super league we aint gonna win jack poop.

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Quote: Wandering Warrior "

They could select who they want but until we strive to improve super league we aint gonna win jack poop.'"
totally true

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Quote: Gary High "Sam wasn't given an inch which nullified him but to suggest he should be moved to 6 is utter garbage. Sam Tomkins needs a strong pack to be effective and he didn't get that last night. He is 2nd only to Billy Slater as the best full back in the world - He proved that during this tournament.'"

How did he prove he is the second best fullback in the world?

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