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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"I for one don't give a monkey's what the impact is on other clubs - including my own. I don't care what deals have been done, and whether they benefit wigan in particular. Bottom line is that Sam Tomkins is a very good player (far better than Ashton will ever be), and I'm glad Wigan have been able to keep him. Until we become like the NRL and produce the equivalent player every year or so, we desperately need to keep those we do produce to prevent RL being seen entirely as a feeder for RU.
Bottom line lis that we have too many small clubs in SL, who shouldn't call the shots for the clubs capable of spending more. We need a salary cap to stop teams bankrupting themselves, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. If RU didn't exist then I'd have a different view, but it does, it threatens our sport, and the clubs with money need to be able to defend themselves.'"
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"I for one don't give a monkey's what the impact is on other clubs - including my own. I don't care what deals have been done, and whether they benefit wigan in particular. Bottom line is that Sam Tomkins is a very good player (far better than Ashton will ever be), and I'm glad Wigan have been able to keep him. Until we become like the NRL and produce the equivalent player every year or so, we desperately need to keep those we do produce to prevent RL being seen entirely as a feeder for RU.
Bottom line lis that we have too many small clubs in SL, who shouldn't call the shots for the clubs capable of spending more. We need a salary cap to stop teams bankrupting themselves, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. If RU didn't exist then I'd have a different view, but it does, it threatens our sport, and the clubs with money need to be able to defend themselves.'"
Totally agree. I'd be amazed if the likes of Lomax, Hall and Jones-Bishop weren't already on RU's radar. Special talents who we now have a much better chance of keeping. |
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"I for one don't give a monkey's what the impact is on other clubs - including my own. I don't care what deals have been done, and whether they benefit wigan in particular. Bottom line is that Sam Tomkins is a very good player (far better than Ashton will ever be), and I'm glad Wigan have been able to keep him. Until we become like the NRL and produce the equivalent player every year or so, we desperately need to keep those we do produce to prevent RL being seen entirely as a feeder for RU.
Bottom line lis that we have too many small clubs in SL, who shouldn't call the shots for the clubs capable of spending more. We need a salary cap to stop teams bankrupting themselves, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. If RU didn't exist then I'd have a different view, but it does, it threatens our sport, and the clubs with money need to be able to defend themselves.'"
Well said mate 100% correct |
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"I for one don't give a monkey's what the impact is on other clubs - including my own. I don't care what deals have been done, and whether they benefit wigan in particular. Bottom line is that Sam Tomkins is a very good player (far better than Ashton will ever be), and I'm glad Wigan have been able to keep him. Until we become like the NRL and produce the equivalent player every year or so, we desperately need to keep those we do produce to prevent RL being seen entirely as a feeder for RU.
Bottom line lis that we have too many small clubs in SL, who shouldn't call the shots for the clubs capable of spending more. We need a salary cap to stop teams bankrupting themselves, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. If RU didn't exist then I'd have a different view, but it does, it threatens our sport, and the clubs with money need to be able to defend themselves.'"
The only problem I would have with this is if it applied solely to Tomkins, making whatever concessions to reality the RFL have made, available to all clubs is integral to the integrity of the competition.
Other than that the RFL are sadly lagging behind on this and it is sad we have needed their hand to be forced. We should just be looking to keep what we have but bring in the best of what others have. |
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"The only problem I would have with this is if it applied solely to Tomkins, making whatever concessions to reality the RFL have made, available to all clubs is integral to the integrity of the competition.
Other than that the RFL are sadly lagging behind on this and it is sad we have needed their hand to be forced. We should just be looking to keep what we have but bring in the best of what others have.'"
Agreed, we need to make this available to other clubs to prevent raids from Union. There are some excellent young players about and every club needs the ability to protect them from Union.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Presumably the same help you'll be looking for when they come knocking on Ryan Hall and Ben Jones-Bishop's doors. A central fund from which to build up the salaries of marquee players. It's not so far-fetched. We did it before, and it helped us keep two palyers who RU was supposedly ready to break the bank to acquire.'"
Certainly I wouldn't be happy if RU came looking for our players. And from my teams point of view (Leeds) we would benefit well from this central pool, but isn't exactly fair and level playing field for all and would make a bit of a joke of salary cap. Might was well just raise the cap |
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Certainly I wouldn't be happy if RU came looking for our players. And from my teams point of view (Leeds) we would benefit well from this central pool, but isn't exactly fair and level playing field for all and would make a bit of a joke of salary cap. Might was well just raise the cap'"
If the cap were just raised you could guarantee the money would find its way to into the pockets of some average overseas players. At least this way it goes to home grown talent.
It also ought to make it easier for smaller clubs to keep their own, home grown, star players because if say a player form Cas left for Wigan then he would not be eligible for the "Sam Tomkins deal" because Wigan didn't produce him.
The only problem for smaller clubs is if they have no home grown star players because they have a rubbish youth set up. And lets fact it we are into the 2nd round of franchises already and have had the flat rate cap for even longer so they have no excuse to be lagging behind in this department. So if they are disadvantaged because they have no eligible players, who's fault is that? |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"If the cap were just raised you could guarantee the money would find its way to into the pockets of some average overseas players. At least this way it goes to home grown talent.
It also ought to make it easier for smaller clubs to keep their own, home grown, star players because if say a player form Cas left for Wigan then he would not be eligible for the "Sam Tomkins deal" because Wigan didn't produce him.
[uThe only problem for smaller clubs is if they have no home grown star players because they have a rubbish youth set up. And lets fact it we are into the 2nd round of franchises already and have had the flat rate cap for even longer so they have no excuse to be lagging behind in this department. So if they are disadvantaged because they have no eligible players, who's fault is that? [/u'"
Exactly. I'm so tired of clubs who use innovative methods to grow their crowds, develop new income streams and attract and recruit lots of local young talent being accused of making things hard for other clubs. Professional sport is a competition, it is not about fairness or level playing fields. It's about time some of these smaller clubs, whose failures seem to have dictated the direction of the British game in the last 10 years, were reminded that with inclusion in SL there is a responsibility to contribute to the game's wealth. |
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"I for one don't give a monkey's what the impact is on other clubs - including my own. I don't care what deals have been done, and whether they benefit wigan in particular. Bottom line is that Sam Tomkins is a very good player (far better than Ashton will ever be), and I'm glad Wigan have been able to keep him. Until we become like the NRL and produce the equivalent player every year or so, we desperately need to keep those we do produce to prevent RL being seen entirely as a feeder for RU.
Bottom line lis that we have too many small clubs in SL, who shouldn't call the shots for the clubs capable of spending more. We need a salary cap to stop teams bankrupting themselves, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. If RU didn't exist then I'd have a different view, but it does, it threatens our sport, and the clubs with money need to be able to defend themselves.'"
couldnt agree more with that |
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| Lots of praise for young Sam on our board [Leigh, on the England thread, saying again what a fine game he had, well done Sam. |
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