I'm not saying that if we do stick them two at halves, i just have a feeling England are gonna win

I'm of the opinion that if we don't do the percentage things, we won't be close enough to benifit if one of moments of individual skill come out. I don't think doing the % stuff will win us the game, we need something on top of that, but the simple stuff gives you the platform to work off. Without, you're giving the Aussies a head start.

The basics have always got to be there of course but we won't win on those alone. If we go in with an attitude of 'let's keep it tight and make no mistakes' playing a gameplan of 5 drives and a kick we'll get hammered.

We need a balance but I'd really like to see us chance our arm. The kiwis have never beaten the Aussies without a few risks being taken.

Agreed, its like p*ssing into the wind.



I am finding it really difficult to get excited about the match on Saturday, although I think our backs have improved dramatically with the likes of Widdop, Sam and Reed coming through to be established internationals we are still left with the inept muppet at coach with his backwards style to coaching.

England have a 14 point handicap. Who would your money be on?

I think we'll keep inside that just about so I'd back England.

England 16

Australia 24

1st try-Hall

Mom- Thurston

Att- 43500

Atkins isn't in the 4 Nations squad

I don't know about a 14 point start; England probably need at least a 20 point start. I can see us getting absolutely thrashed if the Ozzies get a roll on.

I just hope that the forwards can be competitive and we avoid embarrassment, with some magic from Tomkins to give us some consolation in what seems almost certain to be a heavy defeat.