And what make him stay. He then plays god awful with no heart which potentially could cost us games.

If hes expressing that hes thinking of leaving then you can bet your bottom dollar that he is seriously considering it.

Then why would we give up what would be a considerable amount of money? What would be the benefit for Wigan?

Because even with that cash we couldnt find a player with his ability to replace him. So it boils down to alter his contract and guarantee tomkins for 2 years for the sake of 1mil or let him go get 1mil and pray we find a replacement. IF in fact we get offered 1mil for him

But you still couldn't guarantee Tomkins for 2 years?

Your solution to this whole problem of Tomkins wanting to leave is, er, to give him a shorter contract? Makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

Yes a shorter contract with a bit of a wage increase for an amount of time he will guarantee to stay for (prob 2 years) rather than pray he stays for 4 years on a lesser contractwhich looks highly unlikely.

The lads are going in no small part down to teh huge pay rises they are being offered dont forget. in 4 years we will no way be able to offer him the wages he will be able to get in RU or NRL FACT

It makes you wonder what kind of money Joel and Sam are on to agree a five year contacts in the first place..

Joel is on 80k a year according to recent reports.

What i'd give to be earning that playing for Wigan for a living

earns more a year than i do in 5. not a bad job if you can get it!

I don't believe it for 1 second , but according to Martin Richards from the daily star . Wigan are 'rumoured' to be targeting Manu Tuilagi to replace Joel Tomkins .

Undoubtedly. However, I still contend that if we are hoping to do the same from South Wales we will struggle to retain them, particularly if they are backs and turn out to be of international standard.

I asked earlier if players unearthed down there were of Wigan standard and Dudson and Flower were rightly pointed out as examples. Time will tell on that one but I would ask/point out - aren't they front rowers, a la Cowie and Hall? If so, they probably aren't suited to top flight RU in terms of physique which would force me to acknowledge that these RU areas may turn up some talent that wouldn't have been suitable for RU in any case. I am still to be convinced that we will uncover, develop and retain throughout the best years of his career any international quality backs from a RU heartland. I hope IL proves me wrong.

Well, at least he's English.