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Sally, That is really not going to help our sport, but one set of fans will be happy.

We need to have a sport where there are 4 or 5 teams that can win trophies.
This will increase crowds and also tv figs, thus bringing in more money allowing the cap to be increased.

if Moran walked away from wire then you would be in big trouble.

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What about exemption from the cap for young players considered to be International or future international (England Knights) standard. Could be a solution to keep RU away from the best young talent. They don't throw money at developing or good/average (but useful) players, they come in for the young lads destined for glory.

So make a statement by saying, if you can be good enough to get into the international set-up then you can get that nice big wage packet you are contemplating elsewhere?

EDIT: I see this is already kind of been suggested, I should have read past page two...

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Quote: Pie Eyed "Why do we need 14?

Why should our sport at the top level be limited by those no-marks, with neither ambition nor foresight at the bottom?

For too long we have allowed the Wakefields and Castlefords of this world dictate what the best teams are allowed to do....

"If the cap is raised, we won't be able to afford it, therefore we're not going to allow you to do it".

Then as soon as Cas are relegated, they start bleating that they should be allowed to spend MORE than the Championship cap, simply because they CAN afford to and "why should we be held back"?

Well guess what - The best of us are being held back by YOU shower of sh|te, and our chairmen are allowing it to happen.

We need a change in the system to reflect what a club can TRULY spend.

If we had something like the UEFA Fair-Play rules, whereby a club had to show either a minimum profit or at least a break-even over say 3 years, that would no longer penalise those of us that have actually marketed our clubs.

It would also penalise clubs with no ambition, no clue and no money.

Tough luck. Work harder.

What is the point in us consistantly improving our attendance figures (other than to show that we can) if we can't spend the increased revenue that it generates?

Please, for the sake of our sport - Stop the tail from wagging the f***ing dog !!!!!

Remove the right of the little clubs to prevent the top ones from moving forward (safely).

If something makes sense and could save/improve our sport - Get it implemented.'"


Amen to that! a014.gif

This fella has hit the nail on the head completely.

Too many teams in Super League. Not enough money. Not enough talent. Result? Mediocre competition (the same four teams have won the SL) and clubs going bust (Crusaders). Where is talent going to come from if our elite players are being poached from the NRL/Union? And how are we going to produce enough talent to fill those voids left not only by players cherry picked by other rival competitions, but also for the NRL players we can no longer afford? A market Ian Lenagan has described as 'largely dead'. It's not sustainable.

Cut the Super League by two teams. We'd have more money to spread across the clubs and more talent. 14 teams is FAR too many for RL, at the moment. Rugby Union only has 12 teams. We have an increased TV deal and record profits made at the RFL that could be better spread across fewer teams. Say to clubs for the next round of franchises that we're selecting the elite 12 teams in RL from either competition - the rest play in the Championship. Re-introduce promotion/relegation and let's build from there.

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Restructure, currently top three leagues have a combined number of 35 team

SL- 10 teams

Off this years standings
1.Wire
2.Wigan
3.Saints
4.Hudds
5.Leeds
6.Catalans
7.Hull FC
8.Hull KR
9.Castleford
10.Bradford

Next we have championship 12 sides

1.Salford
2.Quins
3.Wakefield
4.Crusaders(for this discussion forgetting their situation)
6. Featherstone
7. Leigh
8. Batley
9. Sheffield
10. Widnes
11. Halifax
12. Hunslet

But we have a kind of P&R

Next division down has 14 teams.

SL has a top 5 playoff for the GF
6th place stays in the league

7th, 8th, 9th and 10th go in to a relegation playoff 7v10 8v9 winners stay up both losers go in to a game loser goes in to a P&R one off game

Championship have a top 6 playoff winner of that system go in to a P&R game.

If the team isn't good enough to beat the loser of SL then they are not ready but at least they have a chance of going up.

10 team SL means the talent is condensed hopefully creating a better game and creating more interest, then bring in a system in which you have a salary cap as such but it's based on what you earn, so Wigan having the most fans would be able to spend X amount of pounds but are capped on % on income, so if you want to spend more you have to come up with ways of earning more ie marketing, improving facilities, hiring stadium out etc.

You are still capped to some extent but teams like Wigan and Leeds would be able to spend more than Hudds and if Hudds want to spend more then try to make more.

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I don't have a problem with the top clubs being able to spend within their means - i.e. a solvency-based salary cap. I also don't have a problem with excluding 3rd party payments to players from the cap. Why shouldn't Sam Tomkins be able to earn a lot extra from advertisers if it helps keep him?

The reality is we're a 4/5 team competition anyway. Keep the rest solvent by all means, but most don't spend anywhere near the cap anyway so it hardly matters what the actual cap level is (some spend 30-40% at best).

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Restructure, currently top three leagues have a combined number of 35 team

SL- 10 teams

Off this years standings
1.Wire
2.Wigan
3.Saints
4.Hudds
5.Leeds
6.Catalans
7.Hull FC
8.Hull KR
9.Castleford
10.Bradford

Next we have championship 12 sides

1.Salford
2.Quins
3.Wakefield
4.Crusaders(for this discussion forgetting their situation)
6. Featherstone
7. Leigh
8. Batley
9. Sheffield
10. Widnes
11. Halifax
12. Hunslet

But we have a kind of P&R

Next division down has 14 teams.

SL has a top 5 playoff for the GF
6th place stays in the league

7th, 8th, 9th and 10th go in to a relegation playoff 7v10 8v9 winners stay up both losers go in to a game loser goes in to a P&R one off game

Championship have a top 6 playoff winner of that system go in to a P&R game.

If the team isn't good enough to beat the loser of SL then they are not ready but at least they have a chance of going up.

10 team SL means the talent is condensed hopefully creating a better game and creating more interest, then bring in a system in which you have a salary cap as such but it's based on what you earn, so Wigan having the most fans would be able to spend X amount of pounds but are capped on % on income, so if you want to spend more you have to come up with ways of earning more ie marketing, improving facilities, hiring stadium out etc.

You are still capped to some extent but teams like Wigan and Leeds would be able to spend more than Hudds and if Hudds want to spend more then try to make more.'"


That would improve the domestic product imo. The playoff systems you mentioned would need a little working out but im sure it can be done. P&L needs to return in some form for me, the teams at the bottom are just hanging around doing jack so other teams should be allowed to have a crack.

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