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I said it on the Dire site and I,ll say it on here,I never understand how the play offs can be compared to winning the regular league. The play offs can be won by winning 4 or so games whilst the regular season takes a massive effort over a couple of dozen games. No brainer.The play offs are fun but it aint no league shield.

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As long as we don't have this top 8 format next year. The playoffs will have been improved.

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The play-off system is a very good idea, it adds a huge amount to the end of the season, especially to the mid table clubs. But I would prefer it if the top 6 were involved, not the top 8 - too bloody hard to explain to non rugby friends!

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Quote: Jukesays "Personally I like the Play-Offs (Would go to the Top 5/6 format though) but as long as people remember 1 thing.

"NO TEAM" who finishes top of the league after the 27 rounds (Or whatever it has been in previous years) under the current system (i.e Since 9icon_cool.gif have won SL!
It applied when Wigan won it last year and it applies this and any other year whilst this sytem is in place.

Reason?

Because "IF" the league was decided on who finished top after the regular season rounds then the teams playing those 27 rounds would treat it differently. In other words the league table may/would have looked different if every team had been playing towards 1 goal at the end of the season i.e The League title.
They are now currently playing for 2, the 1st one being a position in the Play-offs decided by those 27 rounds and which they may wish to sacrifice league points due to other commitments i.e cup & international matches.
The 2nd is the Grand Final SL Title in which every team will give everything it has to win as as this is currently the ultimate goal.

As I say, if the 27 rounds decided the Super League then the 27 rounds would be treated differently than they are now by the clubs due to the play offs for the actual SL title so although a good achievement for me it doesn't actually mean that much in terms of Silverware. I would treat it as good recognition of a consistant achievement over the season and bring No1 in the starting grid when it comes to the Real fixtures that matter a good reward for those efforts.'"


Are you suggesting that every side doesn't play to win? IMO, the entire point of the league is to provide consistent competitive rugby, if every side didn't turn up with the aim to win, then they wouldn't even be competing in the league. The problem with what you say is: most sides can't treat 27 games as play-off games. You make it out as though every side could up their level every week if it meant more, ask most sides and I'm sure they'll say after every game they gave their all, the point of the league is to ask the biggest question of all; are you consistent enough? I personally believe it's easier to motivate yourself and 'peak' for 3/4 games. Futhermore, last year, for example, Wigan were defeated in their first play-off game, but still went on to win the trophy, maybe it's just me, but I prefer the idea pure KO rugby; however, if we were to make the play-offs pure KO, then this 1st vs. 4th and so on would have to be revamped.

For me, even if the RFL/Sky prefer to hype the GF, we as fans should put more emphasis on winning the league, as I believe that's the biggest test for any side.

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Quote: Roddy B "Are you suggesting that every side doesn't play to win? IMO, the entire point of the league is to provide consistent competitive rugby, if every side didn't turn up with the aim to win, then they wouldn't even be competing in the league. The problem with what you say is

I'm saying that if certain teams weren't fighting for a top 8 finish then there performances would be affected in games against teams fighting for the championship?
If there was relegation then teams at the bottom would in theory have more to play for come the end of the seaosn and may have extra focus against teams fighting to win the championship?

Despite what everyone would like to think players and clubs MUST BE AFFECTED by the scenario of the game in which they are playing?
Bottom of the league, no relegation playing a top 2/3 team end of season and deep down the will to win may not be there as much as if relegation were in place and 1 win could save them.
A team in mid-table would have virtually nothing to play for if there were no top 6/8 or whatever system you want to put in place. Is anyone suggesting that those teams DEEP DOWN care about the game as much if they weren't fighting for a Top 8 place to stay in the competition?

Bottom line is this.

Whatever the rules are at the start of the season every team knows them, you play your games in the way you best feel give you a chance of winning that title and I'm saying that under the current format not every team is 100% completely and utterly bothered about there exact place in that league for all 27 rounds, they're jockeying for position to get as high as possible whilst also having 1 eye on the play offs and making sure that they're ready for the business end of the season. That's when the real business begins and the 1st 27 rounds and how you play them gives you the best chance possible the higher you finish, that's all. Which ever team does that (And Warrington this year quite rightly deserve it) they deserve a pat on the back and some recognition.

HOWEVER
There is only 1 SL Title winner this or any other year

That will be decided on 9th October.

If they change the rules and next year who's top after 27 games wins the SL then that's what all the teams will be aiming to do, until then Winning on October 9th is all that matters no matter whether you, me or anyone else thinks.

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Quote: Jukesays "Personally I like the Play-Offs (Would go to the Top 5/6 format though) but as long as people remember 1 thing.

"NO TEAM" who finishes top of the league after the 27 rounds (Or whatever it has been in previous years) under the current system (i.e Since 9icon_cool.gif have won SL!
It applied when Wigan won it last year and it applies this and any other year whilst this sytem is in place.

Reason?

Because "IF" the league was decided on who finished top after the regular season rounds then the teams playing those 27 rounds would treat it differently. In other words the league table may/would have looked different if every team had been playing towards 1 goal at the end of the season i.e The League title.
They are now currently playing for 2, the 1st one being a position in the Play-offs decided by those 27 rounds and which they may wish to sacrifice league points due to other commitments i.e cup & international matches.
The 2nd is the Grand Final SL Title in which every team will give everything it has to win as as this is currently the ultimate goal.

As I say, if the 27 rounds decided the Super League then the 27 rounds would be treated differently than they are now by the clubs due to the play offs for the actual SL title so although a good achievement for me it doesn't actually mean that much in terms of Silverware. I would treat it as good recognition of a consistant achievement over the season and bring No1 in the starting grid when it comes to the Real fixtures that matter a good reward for those efforts.'"


I knew it was only a matter of time untill you posted this.

Couldn't be more true.

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