Lulu was my MOM today and I'm not his biggest fan.

Said the same myself. No structure when Tommy goes off.

We were pap in that period because we kept giving the ball away and conceding penalties. Can't blame MM for that. We just had to do a lot of defending, which is something the lad can do IMO.

Thing is we always seem to when he comes on, hence the sarcastic term "coincidence." For me our drop in performance is directly related to him coming onto the field.

As for his defence eye catching....yes, but misses a good few if they go to the side of him. Run at him he will nail you.

Spot on.

Like in the Grand Final you mean when we were outstanding all round when he was on the pitch as starting hooker?

What you seem to forget as well is the way a game goes is not all down to Wigan. Leeds game went up several notches when Burrows came on. He was outstanding and I reckon was in with a shout of Lace Todd.

I agree partly with the OP.
I don't think McIlorum was directly at fault for anything, but I have noticed this 'coincidence' myself on a couple of occasions (see quarter final), that when Tommy goes off, we go downhill. I'm not saying it's because McIlorum is crap, but I just think it's because Tommy is going off, who is superb IMO.

On many occasions when McIlorum replaces Leuluai the team start playing badly. It seems unlikely that one change can have such a huge negative impact on the side. Be that as it may, it's undeniably true that on quite a few occasions when that change is made the team starts to under-perform. It's clearly an issue that needs to be addressed.

McIllorum was outstanding in the gradfinal, no question. Sadly though that is the exception rather than the rule.

It is no coincidence that when he comes on we normally lose all direction on the field in both attack and defence.

Tommy went off today, I do not think we controlled field position or attacked in defence when he did.

The second he came back on he took us to a field position to set a platform for a move......a move that lead to a try.

watch the game again and look at the difference when TL comes back on, it is instantaneous.

As usual though it must be a coincidence that we struggle and teams get a foot in the door when he is on the field.

I've got to admit though, at about 55 mins I was calling for tommy to be brought on.

So it was Micky Mc s fault for Hoffman dropping ball in our own 10 and for faz giving penalties and them scoring off it , and his fault for Ryan hall smashes us down the wings . The full team fell to bits through gifting possession and try's ,last 2 or 3 games no one has said anything about him but then this game we have another 15 page thread. Is this gonna happen all season every other game .The same old Micky mc is crap thread.

Tommy was stand out from EVERY player yesterday not just Micky and some times I think Madge leaves him off too long but then again would tommy have the same impact if he didn't have such along time rested .