Tempted to say abolish the half-volleyed grubber (since its a knock on by that logic), but then its quite an attractive skill (as McGuire demonstrated last friday). Guess referees, as in the case of foul or dangerous play, need to make a call on intent. I.e. Did he intend kicking that or was it an consequence of dropping the ball? Obvious in most cases (like your prop example), not so last friday imo.

Incidentally, I wouldn't wish even a wigan fan try explain the rules to an alien. I have enough issues with these Aussie Rules loving victorians.

When I play rugby at the weekend, I think I might roll the ball behind the defensive line, chase it, then kick it, score the try, and claim it is a drop kick.

Not sure anyone is suggesting that my friend. That would clearly be a knock on. Try it anyway. See how you get on fella. And get yourself down to the local debating team immediately. You'd be a shoe-in

Just like Mcguire's, in effect thats exactly what he did, I just exaggerated it to prove a point

IMO it was a consequence of dropping the ball. My question is, would you have the same argument if say...Kirke, Ablett etc: did the same thing? I think you're only questioning it because it was McGuire, and it's more likely he meant to drop kick the ball hence back up your claim.

p.s I still think it was a knock on.

I have E mailed RFL expressing my puzzlement at Stuart Cummings interpretation and asking for a detailed explanation of it. I have also asked for a detailed public explanation to be made as this needs to be cleared up so that all levels of the game know the rul;es of the game as understood by the RFL officials

I'm no sherlock holmes but i think proof needs a collective weight of evidence. Whether McGuire knocked on or not was clearly ambiguous, hence the need to go to the video ref and the fact we are having this very discussion. Wigan got the rub of the green and did very well to get a win out of it. Together with the point at Headingley, those fine measures could make a big difference in the long run. These things tend to even themselves out tho. Wigan Wire final with Wire taking the honours imo



Of course - same argument for any player.

IMO the ball came out of his hands, went forward and hit the floor, knock on. Its irrelevant whether he attempted to kick it or not.

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he attempted the kick to cover up a knock-on, any player would have done the same but its still a knock-on

cant see what all the fuss is about

So a player loses control of the ball it goes forward and hits the ground. The player strikes at the ball with his foot. How high does the ball have to bounce before you give a knock on? or how long do you wait?