Sure this link is allowed as it is on the BBC website news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 509140.stm Two things about this incident.......... 1/ What did joel say to ganson after the incident when he responds with ' you speak like that again..' and then tries to send him away from checking his brother (which was a stupid move from ganson imo!) 2/ After the try is given note that ganson points to the sticks to indicate that we have elected to take a goal as if a penalty had been given - it therefore seems an 8 point try was awarded so why didnt we kick at goal a second time?!? Anyone any ideas?

Sure this link is allowed as it is on the BBC website news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 509140.stm Two things about this incident.......... 1/ What did joel say to ganson after the incident when he responds with ' you speak like that again..' and then tries to send him away from checking his brother (which was a stupid move from ganson imo!) 2/ After the try is given note that ganson points to the sticks to indicate that we have elected to take a goal as if a penalty had been given - it therefore seems an 8 point try was awarded so why didnt we kick at goal a second time?!? Anyone any ideas?

probably asking ganson what the eff he was going to do about his brother being cleaned out!

and im sure they ruled that because the try had been given it was sufficient enough with the sending off aswell; not to sure, i may be wrong.

I noticed that, jobsworth Ganson was more exited about being given an opportunity to have a go at J.Tomkins, than any thoughts about the welfare of S.Tomkins.

After the try is given he points to the sticks to indicate an attempt at goal for the penalty though which is what completely confusses me, and no doubt did paat at the time as he seemed to look back at the ref after the kick to say do i not get another?!

Re: ganson on the joel tomkins incident - would like to know what he said purely as to whether it warrented gansons response - for me it appeared ganson just wanted to make sure he was the main talking point of the incident and upstage everything at all costs as usual by mouthing off to Joel who seemed to only be showing concern for his brother - yet id like to know wat was said just incase joel was mouthing off and ganson was justified.

At the risk of being out of step, I think Ganson handled the situation well.

He didn't see what happened, but clearly received an immediate message re. foul play. He then did his best to take charge of ther situation to try to establish what had happened.

By sending Joel away and advising him to mind his language, he may well have saved Joel from getting a card as well. We all remember what happened a few weeks ago when Joel was brought straight back into the action after a nasty foul. The term 'hot-headed' doesn't really cover it.

I thought it was weird at the time but then decided that it all happened so quickly that maybe Ganson didn't realise how badly Sam had been hurt, Joel was obviously going balistic cos it looked like the ref wasn't concerned about his brother but then Ganson said something like I understand that but shouting at me won't help (or words to that effect)

Why we didn't get the penalty as well doesn't make any sense but then again neither does Mick Potter's attitude that he seemed to think Raynor didn't do anything wrong and was merely trying to stop a try being scored



There was also a lot being made of Bradford only having 12 men but they all conveniently forgot that we were a man down as well.

Just glad we won but it wasn't a great game by any means

Mick Potter's response makes perfect sense if you look at it from his perspective.

His team is crap and he needs to find a reason, yet again, why it isn't his fault. Raynor's sending-off presents another golden opportunity to pass the blame to someone else.

Potter is a phoney of the first order.

I completely agree, Ganson dealt with it very appropriately. Do people really think that he was harsh towards Joel? He came storming up to Ganson and probably swore at him and Ganson responded in the correct manner, warning Joel but not overreacting, asking O'Loughlin to take him away. Once things had calmed he listened to Joel and said "I understand, but you're not helping the situation" and that was the end of it. That's exactly how he should have dealt with it.

Watch the incident again if you think Ganson didnt see it, he couldnt be any closer to it!

Joel did apologise after it though, and Ganson did accept and said he understood his frustration.

I think Ganson was fair to Joel as well. Not sure what Joel said but if you let players go down the route of abusing refs then we turn into Soccer, which is a joke in comparison.

You can say what you like about Ganson but he isn't afraid to take his time, seek all the advice he needs (from the video ref when it's available) and then take action if necessary. I think he handled it well. I'm still confused about Lima's sin bin but he had warned Wigan and if anyone was to blame their it was the touch judge, but although tv replays were inconclusive, it was right in front of him.

As for the 8 point try I went into the rule in my match report which on the RFL website reads....



As I wrote - If that is not "fouling an opponent who is touching down for a try", what is? Some are saying that 8 pointers can only be awarded if the foul occurs after the try is scored but thats not actually what is stated above?

It was also suggested to me that giving a red card without a penalty being award is an incorrect thing to do?

If they did get it wrong then surely you can't just blame Ganson, in fact I'd suggest the video referee is more at fault. It could definitely do with a clarification though because it's a rare thing isn't it.

Ganson might be a real pain sometimes, but he is probably the only ref at the moment who will show the red card when necessary. The others would have just put it on report.