I believe that Joel will be a class centre some day but it will take some work,he needs to learn the art of drawing in the winger to leave enough space for Charnley.

His first movement when he receive's the ball should be straight towards the centre and just before contact he should step outside to try and draw the opposition winger in freeing up some space for Charnley,at the moment when gets the ball his first thought is to try and score himself by just going straight for the corner,he needs to watch some dvd's of last season and see just how Gleeson plays.

Maybe not the best but he's up there with them. If it wasn't for his off field issues and you ignore the number on his birth certificate I'm sure he would still be a certain pick for England every time. If I was Joel Tomkins wanting to learn super league centre play I would be watching loads of Keith Senior footage.

I think alot of tompkins at centre, and it must be remembered that he has only played a few games there. More importantly he has only played 4 games as a centre partner to charnley and both are learning there trade. so as previous posters have said this is a work in process and as both players play more with each other and learn about each other then I believe this partnership will only get stronger. We might have to wait another year however to see the benifit of the move but at the moment I for one are more than impressed.

The ball seems to be going to Joel in an attacking position more than it did when Gleeson was centre. Looking at Gleeson's stats in his first few games for Hull his involvement was quite low, perhaps he should change his aftershave.

I agree Senior would be the perfect model for Joel but he is way past international rugby now and has played a season too long IMO.

Senior is now very average and is getting caught out in defence pretty often but he's been a super player in his time. He's the best centre in the history of superleague IMO because of the quality he's produced over such a period of time and if Joel can produce a similar level of consistent performances we'll be very lucky indeed.

He's capable aswell.