Agree with a lot of this.

It's easy to point the finger on the back of a defeat, but the signs have been there all season. Offensively we've been poor, we didn't replace piggy - big mistake, and we persist in shuffling the half backs and hooking roles throughout the games.. How can we develop consistent attacking moves when we play musical chairs in these areas?

In addition let's be onest Tommy Lulu is not a 7. He's had one good game this Season - Salford , and has gone missing ever since. This guy doesn't know what his best position is - it's no wonder the coaches can't work him out either. If madge practices what he preaches this guy needs a stint in the U20s!

I agree, a few matches in and his defence is pretty much there, tonight he was beginning to look slightly more dangerous with the ball. However, he appears to me to be a bit positionless - he clearly isn't a centre as he doesn't pass, I'm not sure about the idea of him on the wing... I woudn't know what to do with him. Although he is getting better each week (marginally), I can't help but feel we need better, quicker.

I'd go with this. Fact of the matter is, I wouldn't move Sam to 6 as some have suggested because in the long run this season he's going to play at 1. Simple as that, so no point shifting him about.

Roberts looked sharp and industrious for me when he came on last night, and he could do with building some confidence down the wing before Pat comes back in. Finch and Leuluai are going to be our main halfback pairing, with Tommy no doubt moving to 9 throughout the game, so they need games together.

And, as it stands, Charnley is going to eventually play centre for Wigan for a long time I reckon, so might as well give him the games he need there. I think his style of running better fits the centre position anyway; he looks like he prefers to run further inside around defenders than other wingers do, so for that reason I can see him being a more effective centre. But we all knew that anyway.

Although Marsh is getting better defensively he is still very poor in attack and I see zero improvement there. He is far too lightweight for a centre and this means he offers no threat at all in attack and also means he struggles in defence close to his line against bigger players. His biggest problem though is that I have yet to see him pass the ball to his winger and he even try give the defence the impression that he is going to. Therefore when he is at centre our right hand attack is totally non existant.

Has everyone forgotten about Deacon? Get that guy in at 6 next week if he is fit with Tommy at 7. My backs would be:

Sam
Goulding
Marsh
Carmont
Roberts
Deacon
Tommy

Get Finch on after 25 mins or so for Macca and put Tommy at 9.

With Deacon and Finch we may even have a kicking game for once.